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The Rise of Hitler and The Age of Trump: A Comparison

In his interview yesterday with Anderson Cooper, former Pres. Obama said:
"We have to worry when one of our major political parties is willing to embrace a way of thinking about our democracy that would be unrecognizable and unacceptable even five years ago or a decade ago."
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"My hope is that the tides will turn," Obama said of our current political moment. "But that does require each of us to understand that this experiment in democracy is not self-executing. It doesn't happen just automatically."
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All of us as citizens have to recognize that the path towards an undemocratic America is not gonna happen in just one bang," Barack Obama said in an arresting interview with Anderson Cooper on Monday night. It happens "in a series of steps," Obama said, citing the devolution of places like Hungary and Poland.
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The degradation of US democratic standards and the corruption of the political system looks familiar to one of Obama's closest White House aides.

Ben Rhodes, a former deputy national security adviser, just published a new book "After the Fall" that examines the slide into autocracy in nations like Russia and Hungary. He noted that the latter's leader, Viktor Orban, had orchestrated a right-wing populist backlash to the financial crisis, packed the courts with conservative justices and redrawn legislative districts and laws to benefit his voters. Orban also enriched cronies and weaponized a propagandistic media machine while wrapping the entire push in a nationalist bow.https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/07/media/obama-interview-reliable-sources/index.html

"I'm thinking this sounds like a familiar playbook, it's what I've lived at home," Rhodes told CNN's Bianna Golodryga on CNN International on Monday, referring to Trump's 2016 campaign and presidency.

"On January 6, we learned it can happen here too."
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/politics/barack-obama-donald-trump-democracy/index.html

Anyone who doesn't think our democracy here is in danger by the current GOP is being willfully blind. They have already bent the knee to and kissed the ring of a wannabe authoritarian. They are truly deplorable.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Casablanca is enjoying a laugh at your expense.
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Benghazi was the sight of Much more fighting then Casablanca, it changed hands so often that the Brits made jokes about 'the Benghazi Stakes" since both sides often raced for Benghazi.
It was also the site of one of the LRDG/SAS most famous raids;a raid on the Benghazi airbase a major Luftwaffe base and did major damage.
 
Stacyhs said:
In his interview yesterday with Anderson Cooper, former Pres. Obama said:








https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/politics/barack-obama-donald-trump-democracy/index.html

Anyone who doesn't think our democracy here is in danger by the current GOP is being willfully blind. They have already bent the knee to and kissed the ring of a wannabe authoritarian. They are truly deplorable.
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What concerns me more ia that many who realise this seem unwilling to take the steps necessary to stop it. you won't stop them by joining hands and singing 'Kumbaya". You need to get tough and kick them in the balls, frankly. sorry, but that is the reality.
 
dudalb said:
What concerns me more ia that many who realise this seem unwilling to take the steps necessary to stop it. you won't stop them by joining hands and singing 'Kumbaya". You need to get tough and kick them in the balls, frankly. sorry, but that is the reality.
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What do you suggest?
 
Speaking of the return of Nazis, a photo and trailer makes it clear that the Nazis are the villians again in Indiana Jones 5....
 
Well because Nazis are the only bad guys we're allowed anymore. Any other group, even groups that did stuff just as bad, will have someone get butt hurt if you use them the same way.
 
dudalb said:
Play just a hardball as they are. Give up on the bipartisan idea, isnce that is dead for the time being.
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I agree somewhat. There are things that simply are not going to get done due to obstruction by the GOP. Executive actions will have to be used where they can. But since the Senate is 50-50 and it's difficult to get all 50 Dems to agree on anything, just what hardball tactics do you think are going to work on the 25 GOP senators?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Well because Nazis are the only bad guys we're allowed anymore. Any other group, even groups that did stuff just as bad, will have someone get butt hurt if you use them the same way.
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There's always the commiesocialist libr'als. That would play great in the South and Midwest.
 
Belz... said:
I hate these guys...
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BTW, Indy's use of that pharase in "Last Crusade" is a direct tip of the hat to "The Blues Brothers". Sort of a return for Spielberg's cameo in Brothers. (He is the clerk at the Cook Counry Assesors Office".
 
JoeMorgue said:
Well because Nazis are the only bad guys we're allowed anymore. Any other group, even groups that did stuff just as bad, will have someone get butt hurt if you use them the same way.
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And let's face it, Indy fighting Commies and Aliens in Indy 4 just was not as much fun
 
Stacyhs said:
There's always the commiesocialist libr'als. That would play great in the South and Midwest.
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Given the record of Communism, I have no problem making Commies the villians.............

Frankly, the knee jerk reaction of some progressive to defend and/or excuse Communisms horrid record is a major problem for them.
 
dudalb said:
Given the record of Communism, I have no problem making Commies the villians.............

Frankly, the knee jerk reaction of some progressive to defend and/or excuse Communisms horrid record is a major problem for them.
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There's enough of that mindless new Red Scare in 2021 between Fox News, Breitbart, and all the little independent "conservative" media outlets that we can recognize that Marxism isn't a legitimate threat today. It may have been in my grandpa and fathers' days. Young edgy conservative voices like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson are trying hard to revive it as if it's relevant.
 
Venom said:
There's enough of that mindless new Red Scare in 2021 between Fox News, Breitbart, and all the little independent "conservative" media outlets that we can recognize that Marxism isn't a legitimate threat today. It may have been in my grandpa and fathers' days. Young edgy conservative voices like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson are trying hard to revive it as if it's relevant.
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I agree, but ,still, it is not a good look for some progressive to basically defend and excuse Communism. Just admit it was a horrid system, prove that more moderate forms of socialism are totally different, and move on.
And there are a few hard line Marxist out there, and they are getting pretty loud on some mainstream forums.
 
Venom said:
There's enough of that mindless new Red Scare in 2021 between Fox News, Breitbart, and all the little independent "conservative" media outlets that we can recognize that Marxism isn't a legitimate threat today. It may have been in my grandpa and fathers' days. Young edgy conservative voices like Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson are trying hard to revive it as if it's relevant.
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That's because most Trumpers don't know the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism.
 
dudalb said:
I agree, but ,still, it is not a good look for some progressive to basically defend and excuse Communism. Just admit it was a horrid system, prove that more moderate forms of socialism are totally different, and move on.
And there are a few hard line Marxist out there, and they are getting pretty loud on some mainstream forums.
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Sure I agree with this. But I think the main point of contention on this topic is the popular attitude that Marxism is as bad as Nazism. The latter is explicitly authoritarian, genocidal, imperialistic, and espouses eugenics, inequality, and ethno-nationalism.

At least communist thought, though naive and disastrous in practice, was born out of an interest in constructing a more just society for the poor and working class. That's a "defense of communism" to the extent that we can point out important differences in the ultimate goals of the two ideologies.
 
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