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Cont: Rioters storm and occupy the US Capitol - part 2

Leftus said:
Well, I suppose an argument could be raised that you got caught up in the moment, and did not agree to do anything with anyone else. But if you were part of the email / reddit / text group it strips that argument bare.

In theory, everyone who clicked "I'm going" to the Storm Area 51 raid nonsense, would have conspired the moment anyone so much as bought a ticket to Nevada, or placed a room reservation. If it was just an "interested" then you could argue that you were simply interested in watching this train wreck but not participating. So I could see how someone could be on those threads about storming the capitol and not be part of the conspiracy but they would be walking a fine line.
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considering the spate of new laws coming out from right wing states that make anyone in a demonstration liable for what anyone else does, I think the seditious hypocrites should eat their own dog food.
 
I'm only surprised this didn't happen a lot sooner. Still not nearly strong enough a condemnation, though.

Pence Distances Himself From Trump Over Jan. 6 Insurrection [npr.org]
Former Vice President Mike Pence said Thursday night that he doubts that he and former President Donald Trump will ever see "eye to eye" over the Jan. 6 insurrection led by a mob of pro-Trump supporters at the U.S. Capitol.

In a speech to a Republican group in New Hampshire, Pence called Jan. 6 "a dark day in the history of the United States Capitol, but thanks to the swift action of the Capitol Police and federal law enforcement, violence was quelled, the Capitol was secured and that same day, we reconvened the Congress and did our duty under the Constitution and the laws of the United States."
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Another 10 people charged for offences related to storming the Capitol, brings the total to 510

Leonardo Gruppo & Stacey Hager (TX)
Sean McHugh (CA)
Richard Crosby Jr (CT)
Jonathan Walden & Stephanie Baez (AL)
Matthew Baggott & Stewart Parks (TN)
Audrey Southard-Rumsey (FL)
James McGrew (AZ)

Details here https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1

Leftus said:
So I could see how someone could be on those threads about storming the capitol and not be part of the conspiracy but they would be walking a fine line.
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If it was only that, you'd have a point.

However, if you read what is laid out in the indictment against those 16 Oath Keepers, it was not just participating in, or being on the thread; it wasn't just them ticking the "I'm in" box. These people actively planned what they did, as early as a week after the election. If you think this was just a bunch of fabulists having a shared online fantasy, you are deeply mistaken. They were loading for bear, and there were bringing guns for a gunfight, fully intending to mount an armed insurrection and kill people doing it.

PERSON ONE: “I do want some Oath Keepers to stay on the outside, and to stay fully armed and prepared to go in armed, if they have to . . . . So our posture’s gonna be that we’re posted outside of DC, um, awaiting the President’s orders...."​

On December 3, 2020, YOUNG emailed the Florida chapter of the Oath Keepers a membership application and wrote, “looking to get involved in helping….”​

On December 31, 2020, another individual contacted JAMES via Signal and stated: “I have friends not far from DC with a lot of weapons and ammo if you get in trouble i can coordinate help.” JAMES responded, “That might be helpful, but we have a ****-load of QRF* on standby with an arsenal.”
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On December 31, 2020, JAMES messaged PERSON NINETEEN and asked, “Do we have a farm location for weapons?” PERSON NINETEEN responded, “Not that I am aware of yet. If nothing else, my hotel is in VA and has secured underground parking. About 15-20 minutes outside DC, less if you really don’t care about speed limits… would be great if we had someone with an enclosed truck type vehicle and had a quick response unit just outside the city.” JAMES replied, “I agree.”​

There is much, much more. You really should read the whole document to apprise yourself of what these morons were up to (its only a 38 page PDF and its double spaced - about the same reading time as 19 pages). It will also become apparent that there are others involved that the FBI have yet to catch up with - other than the 16 Oath Keepers (including one redacted) there appear to be about 20 others (listed as PERSON ONE, PERSON TWO, PERSON THREE etc)

*QRF = Quick Reaction Force
 
eerok said:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen a lot sooner. Still not nearly strong enough a condemnation, though.
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"... we reconvened the Congress and did our duty under the Constitution." Hilite mine. There's a message there beyond distancing himself from Trump. He is never going to *slam Trump* or "break with Trump." He needs support from the crazies, any GOP politician does, which is a sorry state of affairs but here we are, even if we live in Canada.

But he is coming out for rule of law, true law and order, and the actual Constitution vs. just the Second Amendment.

He will not attack or condemn Trump. He is taking pretty solid aim at Trumpism, which I think is the bigger problem.
 
From smartcooky link:

PERSON ONE: “I do want some Oath Keepers to stay on the outside, and to stay fully armed and prepared to go in armed, if they have to . . . . So our posture’s gonna be that we’re posted outside of DC, um, awaiting the President’s orders...."

Who the hell uses "um" in written communications? Maybe they were all voice typing and "um" was a tell of nervousness, or their own knowledge of how nonsensical their position was. At any rate it shows they were planning for a serious act of sedition.

I've been away awhile, some of this may already have been covered.
 
Minoosh said:
From smartcooky link:

PERSON ONE: “I do want some Oath Keepers to stay on the outside, and to stay fully armed and prepared to go in armed, if they have to . . . . So our posture’s gonna be that we’re posted outside of DC, um, awaiting the President’s orders...."

Who the hell uses "um" in written communications? Maybe they were all voice typing and "um" was a tell of nervousness, or their own knowledge of how nonsensical their position was. At any rate it shows they were planning for a serious act of sedition.

I've been away awhile, some of this may already have been covered.
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It's a transcript from a GoToMeeting online conference call.
 
bruto said:
considering the spate of new laws coming out from right wing states that make anyone in a demonstration liable for what anyone else does, I think the seditious hypocrites should eat their own dog food.
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Like those laws would ever be applied to right wing violence.
 
smartcooky said:
If it was only that, you'd have a point.
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My point was that earning a conspiracy charge doesn't take all that much. It's a very low barrier to entry.

The other thing that I find interesting is that under their own narrative, Trump abandoned them, left them all sorts of exposed. But they still give him their loyalty. I don't get that at all. Of course, the idea that Trump was going to "give them their orders" existed entirely in their own head doesn't change the fact that Trump left them in the wind, again, by their own narrative.
 
Leftus said:
My point was that earning a conspiracy charge doesn't take all that much. It's a very low barrier to entry.

The other thing that I find interesting is that under their own narrative, Trump abandoned them, left them all sorts of exposed. But they still give him their loyalty. I don't get that at all. Of course, the idea that Trump was going to "give them their orders" existed entirely in their own head doesn't change the fact that Trump left them in the wind, again, by their own narrative.
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You just don't understated how deep a game Trump is playing do you? Too deep for the likes of you or I obviously. :covereyes
 
Just to poke back to things blamed on BLM/antifa and likely used to try to help invoke bothsiderism in regards to the Jan 6 insurrection -

Far-right militia plotted 2020 protest violence to blame on leftists, then a member killed two cops

Now we know, thanks to federal prosecutors investigating the Oakland incident, that in fact it was not the act of a single “lone wolf” and his accomplice, but rather part of a larger plot by group of far-right extremists who called themselves the “Grizzly Scouts” and planned a series of deadly attacks on law-enforcement officers with the intent of making it appear to be the work of the “violent left.” Even more disturbing, according to the San Jose Mercury-News, most of these conspirators, following their arrests for destroying evidence in the case, have been released on bond by federal magistrates who have deemed them not a risk to the community.
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Mo Brooks and his wife are Big Mad TM after finally getting served papers for the lawsuit filed against them by Rep. Swalwell related to Jan 6 attack.

Brooks on Sunday tweeted that his wife was served the complaint, filed by Swalwell in March, and accused the congressman's "team" of criminally trespassing on his property.

"HORRIBLE Swalwell's team committed a CRIME by unlawfully sneaking INTO MY HOUSE & accosting my wife!" Brooks wrote. "Alabama Code 13A-7-2: 1st degree criminal trespass. Year in jail. $6000 fine."
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mo-brooks-capitol-riot-lawsuit-served/

Brooks has been evading service for the lawsuit, a classic play by deadbeats. Ironically, the security measures at the Capitol, a response to the Jan6 attack Brooks is accused of inciting in this lawsuit, made it impossible for papers to be served at Brooks' office. Instead, a process server had to serve Brooks' wife by chasing her down at her home, which there is video of here from their surveillance cameras.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1402085010740592644

Filed in the U.S. District Court in the District of Columbia, Swalwell's suit accuses Brooks, former President Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr. and Rudy Giuliani, Mr. Trump's private attorney, of inciting the violence at the Capitol five months ago. The California Democrat claims the group's actions related to January 6 violated federal civil rights laws and D.C. statute.

While Mr. Trump, Trump Jr. and Giuliani waived service of a summons and copy of the complaint in the litigation, according to the court, Swalwell asked the court last week for an extra 60 days to serve Brooks, citing "his ongoing refusal to waive service and the inherent difficulties of attempting service on a sitting member of Congress."
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I see we've reached the "It was just a joke" phase of fascists realizing they're totally screwed.

Three Percenter jailed for participation in insurrection sends hand written letter to ProPublica explaining it was an ironic coup:

“January 6th was nothing short of a satirical way to overthrow a government,”
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https://twitter.com/owasow/status/1402085870371434505

This is the same guy that threatened to shoot his own children if they squealed on him.
 
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