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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 27

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Giuliani? I barely knew him. I think I might have met him once or twice...when he got coffee for me.
"I know him but he was never my lawyer."

"Whoops! I mean I consulted him from time to time so any communication between us is confidential."

Who was the one that supposedly gave someone real estate advice but he wasn't their lawyer? Was that an excuse Hannity used or something? It's right there in the back of my brain but I can't seem to clear the cobwebs off of it.
 
"I know him but he was never my lawyer."

"Whoops! I mean I consulted him from time to time so any communication between us is confidential."

Who was the one that supposedly gave someone real estate advice but he wasn't their lawyer? Was that an excuse Hannity used or something? It's right there in the back of my brain but I can't seem to clear the cobwebs off of it.

That was what Hannity claimed about Michael Cohen.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...nt-court-hearing-real-estate-advice-privilege
 
Justice DeptArtment Asks Judge To Toss Lawsuit Against Trump,
Barr For Violent Clearing Of Lafayette Square by Spencer Hsu

A year to the week after Floyd’s death, Justice Department lawyers argued
that the lawsuits should also be tossed because last November’s presidential
election made future violations unlikely. The government said the square has
been reopened, and President Biden’s administration does not share Trump’s
stated hostility toward Floyd and the racial justice movement.
I'd swear I've seen this argument somewhere before.
On a related note:

From: CNN
...congressional Democrats fear the Biden administration won't be helpful when it comes to obtaining the documents they covet the most: Trump's tax returns.

I can understand a certain amount of frustration setting in....

On one hand, you don't want these things to go too political. On the other hand, the Republicans have already politicized things.
 
On a related note:

From: CNN
...congressional Democrats fear the Biden administration won't be helpful when it comes to obtaining the documents they covet the most: Trump's tax returns.

I can understand a certain amount of frustration setting in....

On one hand, you don't want these things to go too political. On the other hand, the Republicans have already politicized things.
I'm not sure Biden has access to Dump's taxes at the moment. I think we are more likely to see them when Dump is charged with tax evasion in the NY case.
 
On a related note:

From: CNN
...congressional Democrats fear the Biden administration won't be helpful when it comes to obtaining the documents they covet the most: Trump's tax returns.
I'm not sure Biden has access to Dump's taxes at the moment. I think we are more likely to see them when Dump is charged with tax evasion in the NY case.
Biden doesn't PERSONALLY have access to them, but the IRS does. And we are talking about congressional democrats (i.e. a different group than the prosecutors in the NY case.)

Basically, congressional democrats wanted access to the tax records to see if there were things that might have been problematic that aren't necessarily subject to the NY criminal case. (Things like Emoluments violations.)
 
Biden doesn't PERSONALLY have access to them, but the IRS does. And we are talking about congressional democrats (i.e. a different group than the prosecutors in the NY case.)

Basically, congressional democrats wanted access to the tax records to see if there were things that might have been problematic that aren't necessarily subject to the NY criminal case. (Things like Emoluments violations.)

So have any Congressional Democrats successfully gotten a look at said taxes?
 
Biden doesn't PERSONALLY have access to them, but the IRS does. And we are talking about congressional democrats (i.e. a different group than the prosecutors in the NY case.)

Basically, congressional democrats wanted access to the tax records to see if there were things that might have been problematic that aren't necessarily subject to the NY criminal case. (Things like Emoluments violations.)

Why would the President be able to order the IRS to release someone's tax returns?

There are already legal processes for such things.
 
Biden doesn't PERSONALLY have access to them, but the IRS does. And we are talking about congressional democrats (i.e. a different group than the prosecutors in the NY case.)
Why would the President be able to order the IRS to release someone's tax returns?

There are already legal processes for such things.
Its not that the president can order the release...

Congress (as part of its legislative interest) does have the ability to subpoena any tax returns, including those of Trump. Trump and/or his lackeys (e.g. Mnuchin) said they weren't going to comply with the law, and the case ended up tangled up in courts for years, allowing Trump to "run out the clock".

The DoJ could (in theory) drop any sort of resistance to releasing the returns, but they seem to be hesitant to do so.

The decision wouldn't necessarily be Biden's to make, since the DoJ is supposed to function independently. But, Biden does have influence, through (for example) who he nominates to fill various positions. And the people he has picked don't seem to be willing to release the returns.
 
The decision wouldn't necessarily be Biden's to make, since the DoJ is supposed to function independently. But, Biden does have influence, through (for example) who he nominates to fill various positions. And the people he has picked don't seem to be willing to release the returns.

Which is quite right.
They need to follow the rules.

releasing someone's tax returns for partisan political reasons is not the way to do things.

Wasn't there a lot of complaints when Trump's appointees were shown to be doing his bidding?
 
The decision wouldn't necessarily be Biden's to make, since the DoJ is supposed to function independently. But, Biden does have influence, through (for example) who he nominates to fill various positions. And the people he has picked don't seem to be willing to release the returns.
Which is quite right.
They need to follow the rules.

releasing someone's tax returns for partisan political reasons is not the way to do things.
If the whole purpose of obtaining the tax returns was as a fishing expedition to dig through looking for potential dirt, then you are right, its not the way to do things.

But, there are valid reasons why Trump's tax returns might be of interest:

- Multiple court cases involving Trump and emoluments (while the cases were ultimately dismissed, they were not dismissed because no problem was found, instead it was a case of standing/timing)

- Evidence from other sources suggesting Trump might have engaged in illegal activity (and thus might be compromised), such as Trump University

The fact that Trump himself is an extremely polarizing figure does not mean that any sort of investigation into his conduct is done simply because the investigators are biased. If evidence points to a crime, then it makes sense to investigate further, regardless of politics.
Wasn't there a lot of complaints when Trump's appointees were shown to be doing his bidding?
Yes, there was. And the latest involves evidence that Trump's appointees were trying to obtain information on reporters, and on the person behind a Devon Nunes parody twitter account.

The difference here though, is that in those cases of the Trump administration, there is no evidence of criminal activity behind either the reporter, or the person behind the twitter account. This is different than in the case of Trump himself, where the evidence we DO have suggests criminal activity, and the tax returns would simply allow them to dig deeper.
 
There is no difference.

Let the courts ask for the tax returns in the way they are supposed to.
 
There is no difference.
Umm... yes there is. I explained what the difference was.

In one case (requesting Trump's tax returns) you have both probable cause and a legislative reason to expect them. In the other case (Trump going after a parody twitter account) there is no probable cause for a crime being committed.
Let the courts ask for the tax returns in the way they are supposed to.
The courts don't ask for things. Investigators (congress, the police, prosecution, etc.) asks for things. The courts simply rule on whether what was asked for is reasonable.

The Biden administration has flexibility in this... they can either attempt to keep fighting to keep tax returns hidden, or stop fighting and comply with the law as it stands. The decision to keep fighting is not the courts' to make, it is the Biden administration's.

(I should also point out that congress does have its own powers to request records, demand testimony, etc.)

The law is pretty clear... congress SHALL be provided with tax returns on request. Trump's is the only case where that request was denied.
 
More on Trump is Reportedly Telling People He Will Be Reinstated as President By August
And lest we forget Mike Lindell, founder of MyPillow and massive advertiser on Fox News prime time. He insisted during a podcast with Steve Bannon last week that “Donald Trump will be back in office in August,” vowing to file a lawsuit that will confirm evidence of voter fraud during the 2020 election.

So Flynn, Powell, and Lindell are all advocating some sort of reinsertion of Trump into office, though there is no Constitutional way for that to happen. And according to the reliably well-sourced Haberman, Trump himself is promoting the idea that he will be back in office by late summer.

The idea that Trump would be reinstated into the White House is so absurd that it abuts “impossible” to happen. But the reason to amplify this story is to illustrate just how far gone many QAnon followers and their leaders — including Trump — appear to be in their delusion. And the surprisingly large number of supporters who keep buying it.
I probably should put this post in the 'Dump is mentally ill' thread. It looks like he's gathered more than a few other mentally ill people to follow him.

Think about it, none of these people are 'normal': Dump, Lindell, Flynn, Powell... they are all clearly suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Giuliani probably belongs on the roster but Dump ran the bus over him. Of course they could easily kiss and make up, it's hard to predict.
 
Scary as things like this sound, each new step along downslope lunacy reprents one step away from power for him.

Fewer will be crazy enough to support him, and as his grip on reality slips, he will become unable to perform his tricks.

.... I hope.

Hans
I think his grip on reality is there under the surface. He lives in this delusional world but all the dates he has set for his reinstatement pass and he simply gives another date.

Which means it should be clear, he's fundraising off of this insanity.
 
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