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Are there atheists in hell?

The spirit world says there is a God and it is obvious to them in the afterlife as Gods presence is self evident. Also our consciousness expands when we die and are no longer constrained by the limitations of the physical brain, so we have different ways of thinking than our mortal selves.
 
The spirit world says nothing, because it doesn't exist. People who claim to be able to communicate with this nonexistent spirit world say lots of things, most of them contradictory and all of them unevidenced.
 
Pixel42 said:
The spirit world says nothing, because it doesn't exist. People who claim to be able to communicate with this nonexistent spirit world say lots of things, most of them contradictory and all of them unevidenced.
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Then time will tell just who fell. And who's been left behind. When you go your way and I go mine.
Bob Dylan.
 
You don't have to wait for time to tell, the objective evidence already tells. And no, I don't consider a medium giving you information which could have been obtained from your mother to be objective evidence.
 
Scorpion said:
The spirit world says there is a God and it is obvious to them in the afterlife as Gods presence is self evident. Also our consciousness expands when we die and are no longer constrained by the limitations of the physical brain, so we have different ways of thinking than our mortal selves.
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Say for ten seconds I consider this spirit world to be valid. This is utter cruelty in making us alternately blind and dumb to much wiser and etherical . Why would any spirit being choose to return to flesh form where they know they will be dumb again and probably suffer physical pains again?

As a wiser being on another plane I couldn't chose that.
 
8enotto said:
Say for ten seconds I consider this spirit world to be valid. This is utter cruelty in making us alternately blind and dumb to much wiser and etherical . Why would any spirit being choose to return to flesh form where they know they will be dumb again and probably suffer physical pains again?

As a wiser being on another plane I couldn't chose that.
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Incarnation into a world of suffering is the only way our souls can be tested.
If we remained in a higher, heavenly realm we would be untried, and lacking in many qualities we develop as human beings. For example wars are terrible things, but out of such experiences we develop courage, self sacrifice, and strength of mind.

Eternal paradise for an unevolved soul would lead to stagnation, and ignorance of ourselves. Also we could not work out karma from past actions in a realm where we are not put under any pressure.

The spirits say we incarnate many , many times but eventually reach enlightenment, or a state of grace. After that we need no more incarnations and we progress onward as immortal spirits in higher realms.
 
I'm not asking you to "justify" your beliefs, just to explain them in a coherent manner that does not violate basic logic.

Would you agree that the idea of a colourless pink unicorn would violate logic?
 
Scorpion said:
One reason is nobody here gives any credibility to my experiences.
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Wrong. It's your interpretation of them we don't give credibility to (a) because you cannot support it with objective evidence and (b) because there are always more plausible interpretations.

Another is I cannot prove anything I believe.
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Proof is not required for your interpretations to be taken seriously, just the teeniest tiniest shred of objective evidence.
 
Scorpion said:
The spirit world says there is a God
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Evidence? Nope.

Scorpion said:
and it is obvious to them in the afterlife as Gods presence is self evident.
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Nope. Been in whack nuttery claims. No evidence presented, evidential fail.

Scorpion said:
Also our consciousness expands when we die and are no longer constrained by the limitations of the physical brain,
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Nope. When one dies one is gently cooling meat.

Scorpion said:
so we have different ways of thinking than our mortal selves.
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Nope. You just make stuff up and expect everyone to accept it. This is absurd.
 
Pixel42 said:
Wrong. It's your interpretation of them we don't give credibility to (a) because you cannot support it with objective evidence and (b) because there are always more plausible interpretations.


Proof is not required for your interpretations to be taken seriously, just the teeniest tiniest shred of objective evidence.
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Hell, at this point I'd settle for internal logical consistency.
 
Scorpion said:
One reason is nobody here gives any credibility to my experiences. Another is I cannot prove anything I believe.
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OK. Now aren't those good things? Isn't it a good thing to not give credibility to things that can't be supported by evidence?

And, as others have pointed out we aren't even looking for "proof" but you don't even provide credible evidence.
 
Scorpion said:
One reason is nobody here gives any credibility to my experiences. Another is I cannot prove anything I believe.
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Leaving aside all your claims about a "spirit world", you've made a number of statements about how things work in the UK which are far from the written legislation, the experiences and direct knowledge of several posters here who know about such areas. If mistakes or whatever are made about those it becomes quite difficult to put credence in claims about less material things...
 
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Scorpion said:
Incarnation into a world of suffering is the only way our souls can be tested.
If we remained in a higher, heavenly realm we would be untried, and lacking in many qualities we develop as human beings. For example wars are terrible things, but out of such experiences we develop courage, self sacrifice, and strength of mind.
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Can we then surmise that the higher heavenly realms are full of risks of pain and loss? Why else would we need to develop courage to be eligible to go there?

Can we then surmise that the higher heavenly realms are full of unresolved problems that can only be mitigated or resolved by suffering or loss on the part of its spiritual denizens? Why else would we need to develop self-sacrifice to be eligible to go there?

Can we then surmise that the higher heavenly realms are full of deceit, temptation, error, falsehood, pitfalls, perils, enigmas, and dilemmas? Why else would we need to develop strength of mind to be eligible to go there?

If repeated earthly incarnations are a training ground as you suggest, by your own account it's clearly not training anyone for paradise, but rather, for a situation of even worse adversity. That is to say, some sort of hell.
 
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