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Whoah, you're taking that at face value? Speaking of New York, I've got a bridge to show you.
Well, I realize Claus has stretched his "benefit of the doubt" to the breaking point, but I'm curious how even three years of experience in one region of the US qualifies a person to have a better understanding of the entire country than the natives themselves.

To his 3 years, btw, I'll put my 30 some odd years with extensive and repeated traveling to all corners of the country. But, ya know, I don't understand the US as well as Claus does. ;)
 
Which religion is that?

I didn't say it was a specific religion. I said there were religious references in the US government.

Wow. So many strawmen, so little time.

There is not a single strawman there.

Okay, let's hear your evidence and/or logical and/or legal argument for how the formation and development of the US would have been different if the words "God" and "Creator" had not been used in the DoI. I'm all ears.

You want me to predict about 250 years of history? I don't speculate when it comes to history. That is a fool's errand.

It assume that it means exactly what it says, that the King executes his supreme authority through the Ministers.
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No, they exercise the King's authority.

So, what does that mean? Please give an example.

There is no counter-argument here, just unsupported opinion. What am I supposed to respond to?

You are not supposed to respond. Your selective quoting is obvious.

Do you, then, conceed the point that the Ministers are executing the King's authority?

I have never contested that, so there's nothing to concede.

Not read the US constitution? Of course I have. You're reading comprehension is very odd.

No, read the Danish constitution and the Parliamentary Election Act.

Is there something in the Parliamentary Election Act of Denmark that conflicts with the Constitutional Act of 1953's statement that the King holds supreme authority in the Realm? If so, which of those two documents is correct?

Just read the documents, OK? Don't skim them, read and understand them.

Okay, explain to me how "The King also has the constitutional ability to remove a Minister" is different from "The King shall appoint and dismiss the Prime Minister and the other Ministers"? Is this losing something in translation?

Yes: Because he is dismissing the PM and the other Ministers. The King can not dismiss just one Minister. That is made clear by §16.

What I'm seeing is multiple, not mutually excluse methods for the removal of a minister.

Seeing is not believing.

I've read what you've provided, it does not agree with what you are saying.

That's fine. Disagreeing with me doesn't mean you are right.

You've ignored what I have presented and you have the audacity to claim that I am wrong.

I have not ignored it. But tell me, how do you think you can make a case based on the facts, if you haven't read the facts?

Strawman. I didn't say the governement was elected, I said that nearly everyone in the government was elected.

Wrong again. The PM is usually chosen from the biggest party, but not always - thereby making him elected. The Ministers, however, don't have to be elected to the Parliament.

The evidence shows otherwise. ;)

I've learned a great deal about some Americans here. ;)

Yeah, but you didn't provide any evidence to back it up.

But you said that I hadn't addressed it:

I thought you said that only the legislative branch of your government could print money?

I made it clear that the King could mint money.

In fact, it

...what?

But you keep contradicting them, so which time that you have addressed this am I to believe?

Where's the contradiction?

meh. If it's necessary.

If you want to discuss Danish democracy, and particularly the Danish Constitution, I think it would be a good idea.

eta, I've read through the constatutional act already. The Election Act is of little relevence since it concerns itself primarily with the election process rather than the roles of the different government figures. I've been skimming it, but it's rather uninteresting.

Skimming isn't the same as reading and understanding it.

eta2, and, if anything, it seems fairly obvious that the Election Act defers to the Constitutional Act in several places.

How so?
 
And what of this experience do you think gives you more insight into the American psyche than the Americans themselves?

I haven't claimed that I have more insight into the American psyche than Americans. But it does give me a possibility of evaluating both the US and Denmark from a far better advantage point that someone who has never been to Denmark.

And that annoys the heck of out of at least some Americans here.
 
I haven't claimed that I have more insight into the American psyche than Americans.
You never said the words, no, but you dismissed my interpretation of inclusion "under God" in the Pledge as not understanding what Americans were thinking. So, you have implied that you have more insight into what Americans think than I do.

But it does give me a possibility of evaluating both the US and Denmark from a far better advantage point that someone who has never been to Denmark.
I don't really care about Denmark, frankly. What I care about is the double standard you are applying when you say that "under God" and "In God we trust" can only have religious meaning but putting a cross on money and having a constitutional obligation to support the Evangelical Lutheran Church can have symbolic and historical meanings and not religious.

And that annoys the heck of out of at least some Americans here.
Well, in this thread, I'd say some Americans are annoyed by your argumentative fallacies, but whatever makes you feel better.
 
I haven't claimed that I have more insight into the American psyche than Americans. But it does give me a possibility of evaluating both the US and Denmark from a far better advantage point that someone who has never been to Denmark.

And that annoys the heck of out of at least some Americans here.

You poor deluded fellow, I no more pine for a better understanding of Denmark then I do for a closer look at my own colon. I am more than willing to concede that you have a far better pespective on both.

There. Hope that makes you feel better.
 
You never said the words, no, but you dismissed my interpretation of inclusion "under God" in the Pledge as not understanding what Americans were thinking. So, you have implied that you have more insight into what Americans think than I do.

You conclude wrong.

I don't really care about Denmark, frankly. What I care about is the double standard you are applying when you say that "under God" and "In God we trust" can only have religious meaning but putting a cross on money and having a constitutional obligation to support the Evangelical Lutheran Church can have symbolic and historical meanings and not religious.

Nothing new here.

Well, in this thread, I'd say some Americans are annoyed by your argumentative fallacies, but whatever makes you feel better.

I can live with that.
 
Well, if "God" doesn't refer to a religion, but is still a religious reference, it must be referring to something. What is that something?
 
I think Jocko regards it as an authoritative document on the structure, powers, and limitations of the US Government. Let's find out who is correct.

Jocko?

Already answered above in #1093.

I merely stated that it is the foundation of all law in the US, a patently obvious fact that after 1000 posts, you still just don't get.

As usual, it was ignored.
 
Well, if "God" doesn't refer to a religion, but is still a religious reference, it must be referring to something. What is that something?

Something religious.

Are you saying that all religious experiences must belong to a specific religion?
 
That's what I'm asking. What is that religious something that is being referred to?

That's the inherent problem with religious experiences. We can never know what other people felt.

Religious experiences will always be:

1) Inherently personal. I can never know what Hildegard of Bingen experienced.

2) Interpreted in the context you want it to be. If the experience seems to fit with Religion X, it will be deemed as Religion X. If it seems to fit with Religion Y, it will be deemed as Religion Y.

Case in point: Roman gods were easily implemented in the conquored territories, because the Romans could point to similarities between one of their gods and one of the local gods.

See? Even though we just beat the living daylights out of you, we ain't that bad, because your god for X is the same as our god for X.

That does not exclude the experience from being felt as if it were religious. Whatever religion it is deemed to "belong to" is up to those who interpret it - for whatever reason.

Let's take someone who has never heard of Christianity. An Amazon indian (whoever is left). He experiences something that we find is similar to Christian religious experiences.

Is what he experiences the Christian religion?

Strawman. I never said anything about religious experiences in this thread.

It is not a strawman. It would be a strawman if I had claimed you had argued this. I didn't. What I did was ask you if that was what you meant.

Do you understand the difference between a strawman and a question - a request for clarification? Please explain it to me, so I know you understand the difference.
 
"God" is religious, but doesn't specify what religion.

In order for you to use the word religious you must qualify what religion it reffers to. Otherwise you are using a wrong word.

Of course, you can always tell us what religion God is. I'll be waiting.
 

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