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Being a racist while having a soft skull

Belz... said:
I'm sufficiently aware of it to know you can infer any implication you want about someone's posts. The fact of the matter is that the words are right there for you to read.
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This response, as has been said previously, is so unlike you that I have to wonder what is at play here.

"free this man"
"guilty pleasure"
"appropriately ignoble end"
"let Pujols go"
"I find it very funny that a racist literally got killed"
"we have to take these things as they are, not as we want them to be"

and the clincher​

"One punch at a time to a better tomorrow"

No matter, I've made my case and I'll go with the consensus, if people care to comment one way or the other.
 
Darat said:
What on earth are you wittering on about?

My post that you quoted had nothing to do with any form of justification, it was simply following the prestige’s reasoning to see what evidence they had for that reasoning.
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Fair enough

Probably my fault I just saw this.

Darat


"Following your reasoning - do you have any evidence for your claim that the old guy didn’t say anything that upset the murderer?"


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Meadmaker said:
Racial slurs are not a political view.

Racism is a political view. The use of racial slurs is motivated by racism.

ETA: Opposition to racism is also a political view.
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I think this is connecting dots that don't need to be connected.

To my mind it's over-elevating racism to call it a political view in the first place but even if you grant it that I think there's still a ways to go to suggest that for example shouting out '*******' from a passing car to a group of black men would constitute a political opinion.

Not every insult, slur, drunken mumble, or scream epithet needs to be elevated to the level of protected speech... sometimes it's just a nasty ****** being a nasty ******.
 
Meadmaker said:
I think I should state that words alone never justify extra-legal violence. Yes, having a person arrested or forcibly removed is violence, but the person in your scenario is breaking laws.

As I said to Darat, we could, and people have, tried to explore exactly how much violence and what kind might be justified in certain unusual situations. I don't want to go too deep into that, but in general terms, in the situation you described, it's ok to pursue legal remedies, including those that involve violence by those whom the state has authorized.

In other words, call the cops. Don't punch the guy out.
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Do you understand why people might NOT call the cops? If the behaviour isn't illegal (as apparently it isn't absent hate speech laws) and the cops are racist anyway then why would a black person think that calling the cops is going to get them any satisfaction.
 
bluesjnr said:
This response, as has been said previously, is so unlike you that I have to wonder what is at play here.
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How is it unlike me? I've seen posters having a positive view about the fact that the old man got punched or died, but that's not the accusation. The accusation is that they think violence is an appropriate reaction to his bigotry.

It's possible to enjoy the outcome without condoning the action. I don't see what's strange or hard to understand about this.
 
Belz... said:
How is it unlike me? I've seen posters having a positive view about the fact that the old man got punched or died, but that's not the accusation. The accusation is that they think violence is an appropriate reaction to his bigotry.

It's possible to enjoy the outcome without condoning the action. I don't see what's strange or hard to understand about this.
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We only have the puncher's word the old dude was a bigot.

Which to be frank ain't that trustworthy, given his answer to verbal arguments is punching the other person in the face.
 
cullennz said:
We only have the puncher's word the old dude was a bigot.

Which to be frank ain't that trustworthy, given his answer to verbal arguments is punching the other person in the face.
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You seem to be using the same reasoning as theprestige - have you any evidence that the murderer randomly punched people in the face at any other time?
 
Belz... said:
You keep saying that, but do we? The story says that "employees" asked the man to leave, which supposes that they were aware of what was happening.

Where did you get the idea that we only have his word?
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Because we don't have any confirmation from anyone else.

We just have this

Pujols told police that the man was a regular customer. On this day, Pujols said the man was being "extremely rude" and called Pujols a racial slur. Pujols, who is Black, told police he asked the man to repeat what he said, and the man again said the same slur.

The specific slur was not included in the police report.
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Edit: And I should have added. what difference would it make any way?
 
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Darat said:
You seem to be using the same reasoning as theprestige - have you any evidence that the murderer randomly punched people in the face at any other time?
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It wasn't random.

It says they were arguing in the video and other staff confirmed this.

Do you have any evidence they weren't?

What the scumbag puncher has done at other times is irrelevant to him punching an old dude in the face during this argument.
 
Belz... said:
Did you miss the part where "employees" asked the man to leave, plural?



If it doesn't make a difference, why are you making this argument?
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Because he was arguing with their mate and was being a prick presumably. Where does this have to include racist remarks?

Because some people on here think if the old idiot was saying racist things it justifies punching him in the face, which to me is a bit stupid.
 
cullennz said:
Because he was arguing with their mate and was being a prick presumably. Where does this have to include racist remarks?
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...what?

Because some people on here think if the old idiot was saying racist things it justifies punching him in the face, which to me is a bit stupid.
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No one said that. I certainly don't think it was justified. Amusing, good riddance, but not justified.
 
cullennz said:
It wasn't random.

It says they were arguing in the video and other staff confirmed this.

Do you have any evidence they weren't?

What the scumbag puncher has done at other times is irrelevant to him punching an old dude in the face during this argument.
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You have got confused about what was being discussed.
 
Mumbles said:
Yup.

Back last summer, know what I did when I saw someone in the store with no mask on?

I left them the hell alone. Couldn't be me fighting some idiot, caught on a cell phone and uploaded to Twitter. Gave them 12 feet and kept it pushin.

Much as people want to talk about howe adults keep their hands to themselves - well, some adults are just violent, and some are just at the end of their rope. That's why a lot of us also learn how to shut the **** up.

"Well he's going to jail" yeah, and the other guy's dead. Sorry for his loved ones. Nothing I can do about it. Can't say I'm sad about it.
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Kind of pointless post wise
 
Mumbles said:
As an aside - I still don't understand this. Birth of a Nation is free on Youtube for them to masturbate to, why bother with their little white supremacy murder stories?
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Yeah

Bit left field. Sure you had a point some where in there
 
Mumbles said:
Given their many defenses of people who murder black folks for being black (as well as those of many others on this forum), I find Thermal's objections without merit. However, nobody here is actually saying people should be killed or beaten for being racist boors, so there's little real concern.

(And no, I will not be digging through his posts to find examples - I'm simply saying that this sort of sanctimony over the poor precious white supremacists is annoying)

And yes, I'm both chuckling and saying "Nobody's a good person in this story". In my state, he'd be charged for sure. In Florida, he shouldn't. The end.
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Not actually sure what you are saying, but seems a mix of tacitly pretending the old dude should not have been punched, while also saying he should have because for some reason you know he was a white supremacist.

Qhich is odd.
 
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