Being a racist while having a soft skull

[JoeMorgue]

To address this painfully stupid comment seriously:

Because on Arbery, and Guyger, and some others, we had a ton of information to work with. Here, we have next to nothing.

And you are not so stupid as to not be able to figure that out. Knock off the act.

Funny how there is always just magically "more to talk about" when the victim is black.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I wonder if he even tried to duck. Do you think he even saw it coming?

I can't imagine being so sure of my privilege as to think that I could yell racial slurs at a young man over a stupid freaking donut and not even anticipate the young man hitting me square in the head.

Is this the end result of decades of food service people being taught the odious "the customer is always right" line of crap that emboldens customers to bully low paid staff? Did he previously get away with so much crap that he simply didn't think there was a line anymore?

Over donuts. Not even Shipley's, but gas station Dunkin Donuts.

Grandpa died in 2021.
Oh, Covid?
No, got punched and broke his skull.
Oh, riots then?
No, Dunkin.
Dunkirk?
No, the donut shop. Well, gas station with donut drive through, actually.
Ahh, sorry I asked.

 

[Meadmaker]

I'm still confused. Why haven't we determined how fast the old man could run? Why isn't that important this time?
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Why hasn't this happened?!? Why not that?!?


And then, someone will eventually answer, and it will be:


I told you that's what they would do!




The reason there aren't a lot of questions being asked this time is because this is a very straightforward, easy to understand, interaction.

Guy goes through drive thru- Something goes wrong. We don't know what, but we know that whoever was manning the drive through tells the old man to go away. (Was the interaction racially charged? That would be kind of interesting to know, though not terribly important.)

Old man, angry because drive thru staff didn't do what he wanted, instead of leaving, decides to confront the manager and complain. So far, this is pretty standard stuff.

While complaining to manager, used the N-word. Well that's unexpected. It's a bit of an anachronism. Manager gets mad, and punches customer in the face. Uh....oh....that's a no-no. But wait, it gets worse. Man falls to the ground, hits head, and dies. Manager is now in deep doo-doo.



But....there's really nothing to analyze or question. Everyone pretty much knows what went on. We can debate about who is right and who is wrong, or exactly who should be laughed at, but there are no facts in dispute.


What the manager should have done, though, was goad the customer just a little bit more. If the customer could have been egged on enough to throw his food, it could have been a hate crime, like that woman last week at the Burger King.

 

[JoeMorgue]

But....there's really nothing to analyze or question.

There's nothing to analyze or question when black people are murdered either, yet we always have the same 3 or 4 people writing 40 pages of apologetic fan fiction about what the dead person should have done differently or taking us to task for "assuming" the dead person was some angel (even if nobody claimed they were) or assuming the role of "making sure the race card doesn't get played too much" referee.

This case is EXACTLY as cut and dried as Chauvin killing Floyd. Yet certain people are awfully hostile at the idea that they should be putting this case under the microscope to the same degree.

Again... funny... that.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Only as a response to a credible and imminent threat of violence.

Calling someone hurtful names doesn't meet that standard, and violence in response to opinions - no matter how abhorrent those opinion are - is not acceptable imo.

Hurtful names = racial vilification

Hurtful names = only if you allow them to be. Harden up princess!

 

[dudalb]

Although I won't cry for the racist, I'm not sure punching someone who is rude to you is self-defense.

ETA: Buzz Aldrin should be above the law; the only living human with that privilege.

And Buzz Aldren knows how to throw a punch..somethng a great may people who get into a physical scuffle do not know. he remembered what he had learened when he was on the West Point boxing team.

 

[Meadmaker]

Hurtful names = racial vilification

Hurtful names = only if you allow them to be. Harden up princess!

Did you do that on purpose?



I mean the sexist slur. Here we are, talking about the horrible nature of someone who used a racial slur, and in one of your posts used a sexist slur. Was it an edgy way of illustrating the "How would you like it if someone did that to you?", or did you just not realize it.

If it was the edgy illustration, here's a tip. If you ever run into a black guy excusing sexist slurs, don't try the corresponding illustration. It won't end well.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I don’t understand why Thermal is responding to posts that suppose it could be easily understandable if the young man unfortunately lost his temper, in a way that suggests anyone besides him is talking in terms of the guy being afraid of the old man.

I believe it is in response to the scenario put forth in which the puncher is viewed to have been acting in self-defense.

Seriously though, I care very little about either person's emotional state. I can understand the clerk being angry and offended, but that in no way at all excuses, justifies, or diminishes the fact that the clerk violently assaulted a customer and killed them.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Did you do that on purpose?



I mean the sexist slur. Here we are, talking about the horrible nature of someone who used a racial slur, and in one of your posts used a sexist slur. Was it an edgy way of illustrating the "How would you like it if someone did that to you?", or did you just not realize it.

If it was the edgy illustration, here's a tip. If you ever run into a black guy excusing sexist slurs, don't try the corresponding illustration. It won't end well.

Did I need quotes to show parody for many others or just you?

 

[a_unique_person]

I'll have to disagree there. I think they got it right:



He didn't intend to kill him, he intended to punch him in the face. It's not at all shocking that he killed him, I can say that much.

There's been a lot of interest in Australia about "one punch" killings. With all the cartoon violence on TV and real violence in the street people seem to be unaware of how dangerous "one punch" can be. If the person hit falls and hits their head badly, then the odds are higher than you think it can be fatal.

 

[theprestige]

This is an absurd strawman.

Nobody is concerned that the racist is dead. I believe several of us are concerned that the puncher is being lauded for having killed an old man who said mean things and hurt the puncher's feelings.

I'm concerned that the racist is dead. Racist speech is not, and should not be, a capital crime. Nor should it be a license for extrajudicial violence and vigilantism. Somebody died because somebody else decided to get violent. That's concerning regardless of what repugnant thoughts and speech the victim displayed.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Strange considering he was almost certainly the aggressor.

They started arguing in the drive through line and the racist parked his car and went charging into the lobby to continue his tirade, face to face.

Not saying there is necessarily enough evidence to justify a self defense claim, but let's not play dumb here. The racist guy, soon to get his dome cracked, escalated this situation. I'd say he did about 75% of the work in getting himself killed, and just happened to bully someone willing to help him with the remaining 25%

Strange considering that female was almost certainly the instigator.

They started flirting at the party, and the female was wearing a really scandalous outfit that practically showed everything, and then they just went on drinking till they were totally blasted.

Not saying there is necessarily enough evidence to dismiss that rape charge, but let's not play dumb here. That female human, soon to be forcibly penetrated, escalated the situation. I'd say that they did about 75% of the work of getting themself raped. It just happened that the male was willing to help them with the remaining 25%.

 

[theprestige]

...

A whole lot of I'm not saying, I'm just saying... Just like the "nazis" thread.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Hurtful names = racial vilification

Hurtful names = only if you allow them to be. Harden up princess!

Oh please. I've been called plenty of hateful names that vilify me because of my sex, because of my race, because of my upbringing, because of my lack of religion. I've been called hateful terms on this very site, as well as in real life. I've been called all kinds of incredibly nasty things because my stepfather is black, my mom is white, and my sister is mixed. I've been called hurtful things because all of my family photos are mostly black. I've been vilified, derided, demeaned, and dismissed untold times throughout my life.

They hurt my feelings. They do not in any way excuse or justify me enacting violence on another person because of words.

FFS, You're hear calling me "princess" in a clearly demeaning fashion, intended to be insulting. Do you think I would be justified in punching you for it?

 

[plague311]

There's been a lot of interest in Australia about "one punch" killings. With all the cartoon violence on TV and real violence in the street people seem to be unaware of how dangerous "one punch" can be. If the person hit falls and hits their head badly, then the odds are higher than you think it can be fatal.

There's an entire manga about people dying in a single blow by a man conveniently called One Punch Man™. Little did I know he lived in FL and he bopped old racists, I must have missed that one.

They hurt my feelings. They do not in any way excuse or justify me enacting violence on another person because of words.

For how ******* riled up you're getting, how many people here are saying that Pujols is justified or excused? I mean seriously. I've seen people be carefree about it, I've seen people not really care that the racist is dead, and I've seen some people joking about it. Hell, I just did.

For all of that though you guys seem to be acting like a bunch of people in this thread are saying Pujols was right, that he was justified, etc. The closest you can get is ST who has been cavalier about it. That's one person AT BEST. Jesus Christ, settle down.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Strange considering that female was almost certainly the instigator.

They started flirting at the party, and the female was wearing a really scandalous outfit that practically showed everything, and then they just went on drinking till they were totally blasted.

Not saying there is necessarily enough evidence to dismiss that rape charge, but let's not play dumb here. That female human, soon to be forcibly penetrated, escalated the situation. I'd say that they did about 75% of the work of getting themself raped. It just happened that the male was willing to help them with the remaining 25%.

You should warn before such a wild stretch, I need to warm up or I might tear something.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Oh please. I've been called plenty of hateful names that vilify me because of my sex, because of my race, because of my upbringing, because of my lack of religion. I've been called hateful terms on this very site, as well as in real life. I've been called all kinds of incredibly nasty things because my stepfather is black, my mom is white, and my sister is mixed. I've been called hurtful things because all of my family photos are mostly black. I've been vilified, derided, demeaned, and dismissed untold times throughout my life.

They hurt my feelings. They do not in any way excuse or justify me enacting violence on another person because of words.

FFS, You're hear calling me "princess" in a clearly demeaning fashion, intended to be insulting. Do you think I would be justified in punching you for it?

My point is language and how it is used to whitewash context.

And no, I didn’t call you princess.

 

[dirtywick]

There's an entire manga about people dying in a single blow by a man conveniently called One Punch Man™. Little did I know he lived in FL and he bopped old racists, I must have missed that one.



For how ******* riled up you're getting, how many people here are saying that Pujols is justified or excused? I mean seriously. I've seen people be carefree about it, I've seen people not really care that the racist is dead, and I've seen some people joking about it. Hell, I just did.

For all of that though you guys seem to be acting like a bunch of people in this thread are saying Pujols was right, that he was justified, etc. The closest you can get is ST who has been cavalier about it. That's one person AT BEST. Jesus Christ, settle down.

I think it's especially bizarre considering it's the pretext for politicizing the event and then bemoaning how badly this forum has gone down the tubes due to partisanship. Fan fiction indeed.

 

[JoeMorgue]

None of this has anything to do with the fact that whenever there is a racial issue there's the same core group that magically, by pure coincidence, always wind up argumentatively on the side of the racist and then dig their heels in, defending a hill yet getting super-huffy when you point out the hill they are defending in equal measure.

Call it whatever you want. "Oh I just find this side more interesting to talk about." "Oh I'm not obligated to talk about everything I can talk about whatever I want to." "Oh I'm just here to make sure the race card doesn't get overplayed." "What? At the end of my 40 pages of pro-racism alternative fan fiction I agreed that black person was the victim!"

The line between "racist" and "always on the racist side" might be varying degrees of thick, but the line between "racist apologist" and "always on the racists side" is consistently razor thin.

 

[Meadmaker]

My point is language and how it is used to whitewash context.

And no, I didn’t call you princess.

It sure looked like you called her princess.


If you didn't intend to, maybe it's still within the edit window, and you can clarify it, because it sure looks to me like you called her princess.