Today's Mass Shooting

[Meadmaker]

"Class, look quick! This is how to disarm an active shooter! Quiz tomorrow!"

Many school districts now hand out laptops. I think the obvious solution is to also hand out guns to all students, so they can protect themselves against any active shooters.

Sure the 11 year old would have ended up dead, but that's a small price to pay for liberty.

 

[Ian Osborne]

If she guessed the US, a snarky Captain Obvious crack might be more appropriate.

Yes, she guessed the US, and it was indeed obvious. Which was the point of my post.

 

[bluesjnr]

Many school districts now hand out laptops. I think the obvious solution is to also hand out guns to all students, so they can protect themselves against any active shooters.

Sure the 11 year old would have ended up dead, but that's a small price to pay for liberty.

I did find myself wondering what I'd do, if I was in a position to shoot, under these exact circumstances.

 

[Meadmaker]

I did find myself wondering what I'd do, if I was in a position to shoot, under these exact circumstances.

I hadn't actually thought in those terms, but it is a good question.


I think it's the kind of thing that we will never know the "exact" circumstances because a tiny change can mean a lot. The direction the gun is pointed. The position and direction of the other kids. Heck, even the look on the girl's face.


One thing is clear, though. The teacher deserves commendation.

 

[mgidm86]

We must be screwing up our kids bad with this stuff. Just the knowledge that this COULD happen is enough to do so I would think:

Lucy Long, a sixth-grader at Rigby Middle School, told the Post Register newspaper in Idaho Falls that her classroom went into lockdown after they heard gunshots, with lights and computers turned off and students lined up against the wall.

Lucy comforted her friends and began recording on her phone, so police would know what happened if the shooter came in. The audio contained mostly whispers, with one sentence audible: “It’s real,” one student said.

Lucy said she saw blood on the hallway floor when police escorted them out of the classroom.

Most soldiers never see this, but our children? Ain't takin' MAH guns!!!

 

[Meadmaker]

We must be screwing up our kids bad with this stuff. Just the knowledge that this COULD happen is enough to do so I would think:

I think for one eleven year old in Idaho, it made her think about doing it herself, and apparently she had access to a gun.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I think for one eleven year old in Idaho, it made her think about doing it herself, and apparently she had access to a gun.

That was one of my questions too.

How did a pre-teen get access to a gun and nobody noticed it was gone until she pulled it out and started shooting in school?

Also, how did she get the gun into the school at all? I thought there were supposed to be metal detectors and stuff at the doors for exactly this shizz.

 

[Kestrel]

That was one of my questions too.

How did a pre-teen get access to a gun and nobody noticed it was gone until she pulled it out and started shooting in school?

Also, how did she get the gun into the school at all? I thought there were supposed to be metal detectors and stuff at the doors for exactly this shizz.

Reality is that few schools use metal detectors to check students. It’s basically a math problem.

It takes 6 seconds to check each student for weapons with a metal detector. How long does it take to check 1,200 students using 2 metal detectors?

 

[quadraginta]

Reality is that few schools use metal detectors to check students. It’s basically a math problem.

It takes 6 seconds to check each student for weapons with a metal detector. How long does it take to check 1,200 students using 2 metal detectors?

And six seconds only works if the students don't have anything else which is metal to be detected. Then it's gonna take a lot longer than six seconds to find out what the metal actually is.

 

[Meadmaker]

That was one of my questions too.

How did a pre-teen get access to a gun and nobody noticed it was gone until she pulled it out and started shooting in school?

Also, how did she get the gun into the school at all? I thought there were supposed to be metal detectors and stuff at the doors for exactly this shizz.

Very few schools have metal detectors. Even fewer schools below high school level have metal detectors.

 

[mgidm86]

That was one of my questions too.

How did a pre-teen get access to a gun and nobody noticed it was gone until she pulled it out and started shooting in school?

Also, how did she get the gun into the school at all? I thought there were supposed to be metal detectors and stuff at the doors for exactly this shizz.

Seems like legal gun owners can't be trusted to be responsible with them, at least not nearly enough of them.

Most guns used in crimes are stolen from people who apparently refuse to lock up their weapons.

They refuse to lock them up because someone may use their neighbor's stolen gun on them.

Totally sensible.

 

[crescent]

6 victims in shooting at Colorado Springs birthday party, suspected gunman takes own life

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — In a "senseless act of violence" early Sunday morning, a man drove to a birthday party at a mobile home, walked inside and started shooting, killing six people and himself, according to police.

Overall crime in Colorado (where I live) isn't much worse than most other places, but Colorado does seem to get more than its share of spree shootings.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Does this one count? 4 victims, plus the perpetrator, in a shooting and fire, but so far the police haven't said how many of the victims were shot (a witness stated that at least 1 victim was shot) and how many died because of the fire.

https://wtop.com/baltimore/2021/05/...-missing-after-woodlawn-fire-police-shooting/

 

[Finster]

Many school districts now hand out laptops. I think the obvious solution is to also hand out guns to all students, so they can protect themselves against any active shooters.

Sure the 11 year old would have ended up dead, but that's a small price to pay for liberty.

I know you’re being facetious but there are people seriously arguing that arming students is the answer. To be fair, I haven’t heard any mainstream politicians suggest it (yet) but with the latest crop of looneys I won’t be surprised when they do. (It’s also possible they have, and I missed it.)

 

[ponderingturtle]

That was one of my questions too.

How did a pre-teen get access to a gun and nobody noticed it was gone until she pulled it out and started shooting in school?

Picked it up at home most likely. Having guns laying around is fairly normal in many gun owning families. Want her to be able to repel home invasions of rampaging blacks after all.

 

[ahhell]

I would have guessed Colorado.

Idaho brings a lot of pretty negative violent connotations quickly to mind, but school shootings isn't the first thing I think of when it comes to our Potatoes and White Nationalist Compound state.

Do be fair, they foreclosed on the White Nationalists years ago.

6 victims in shooting at Colorado Springs birthday party, suspected gunman takes own life



Overall crime in Colorado (where I live) isn't much worse than most other places, but Colorado does seem to get more than its share of spree shootings.

Looks like Co is about average.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

Picked it up at home most likely. Having guns laying around is fairly normal in many gun owning families. Want her to be able to repel home invasions of rampaging blacks after all.

In my experience that mast much more true prior to about the 2000s. Growing up in a rural town, almost everyone had guns and almost nobody locked them up. Most folks lock them up now. Anecdotal mind you.

Oh, and almost nobody was worried about blacks, rampaging or otherwise.

Edit to add:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...on-americans-views-of-guns-and-gun-ownership/
Why folks own guns.
67% protection
38 Hunting
30 sports shooting(I assume targets or clay pidgeons)
13 collectors
8 jobs.

It would be nice to know the primary reason. There's clearly a lot of because of X and Y and Z going on.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That was one of my questions too.

How did a pre-teen get access to a gun and nobody noticed it was gone until she pulled it out and started shooting in school?

Also, how did she get the gun into the school at all? I thought there were supposed to be metal detectors and stuff at the doors for exactly this shizz.

I doubt there are metal detectors at any middle schools here, and not every high school has them either.


As for her access to a gun: It's Idaho so it's likely there were unlocked guns in the home.

 

[mgidm86]

Do be fair, they foreclosed on the White Nationalists years ago.


Looks like Co is about average.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

In my experience that mast much more true prior to about the 2000s. Growing up in a rural town, almost everyone had guns and almost nobody locked them up. Most folks lock them up now. Anecdotal mind you.

Oh, and almost nobody was worried about blacks, rampaging or otherwise.

Edit to add:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...on-americans-views-of-guns-and-gun-ownership/
Why folks own guns.
67% protection
38 Hunting
30 sports shooting(I assume targets or clay pidgeons)
13 collectors
8 jobs.

It would be nice to know the primary reason. There's clearly a lot of because of X and Y and Z going on.

In my experience I don't know a single gun owner who does not have at least one gun available at a moments notice (not locked up).

That includes my parents (step included), one of their friends (that I know of), 2 of my good friends, my sister, and other folk I have talked to.

So as usual, anecdotes are crap.

Non-anecdotal: they are getting stolen from someone, and a lot of them!!!

ETA:
I visited my Mom and Stepdad once and there were shotgun shells laying out in the family room loose on a shelf, and a shotgun sitting out in a box with the barrel and stock separated. They have several gun safes but my stepdad is a slob and crap is all over the place. He probably didn't even know.

So no, I do not trust people to be safe with them, and the stats speak for themselves.

 

[Ian Osborne]

I know you’re being facetious but there are people seriously arguing that arming students is the answer. To be fair, I haven’t heard any mainstream politicians suggest it (yet) but with the latest crop of looneys I won’t be surprised when they do. (It’s also possible they have, and I missed it.)

 

[Meadmaker]

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When I was that little girl's age, my friends all liked to play "army". We had toy guns and such and would make "pow" noises and die glorious deaths as we ambushed each other.

We knew we were pretending.