Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 27

[bruto]

The funny thing is that Cheney should be, in many ways, the poster child for the militant right wing, conservative party, combining, so it seems, the worst ideas in almost every subject with some semblance of consistency and, dare one say it, integrity. Not only that, but she's young and female at a time when, looking down the road, it seems likely that young female conservative firebrand would make a pretty good presidential candidate. A dangerous person. She could be the face of the party if the party did not instead wish to follow its corrupt, aging boomers down the drain.

And yet, instead, the party goes with a hypocritical, self-serving charlatan who believes nothing, understands less, betrays everyone, and will likely be dead in a few years, possibly only after having become an obviously demented embarrassment. I can't help but think that, however compelling their reasons for this attitude might be for the moment, they will end up as a long term disaster.

They're doing too much damage in the present for me to be very happy about the prospect of the future, but I hope my prediction is right and I live to see at least a little of the gory wreck.

 

[Aridas]

I doubt her success as well.

But the key question that you post raises is what is the GOP?
Is it whatever #45 says it is or is it what it was back in 2015? Some might feel a loyalty to the later.

It might perhaps be better to ask... Loyal to what? To me, it looks like it's almost never their stated principles.

 

[Craig4]

It is weird that Trump has such power over the Republicans.

I know. It's like the Cardassian interrogator said their are five lights and seventy percent of the Republican party said, "Yep five lights, gotcha boss, right there with you". They could have tried to resist at least a little.

 

[Trebuchet]

IMO she won't. The GOP are pretty loyal.

You're right but suppose that she only peels off 10% of registered Republicans. Given how evenly divided we appear to be, that could be a decisive difference in a lot of elections. Add in those non-Republicans who conservative but not outright loons and you just might have a major political shift.

That said, I think her efforts are destined to fail.

The GOP has ceased to exist. It's the TOP now. Trump's Own Party.
And yes, I DID just post that in another thread.

 

[Cain]

I'm not sure what to think. Who knew Republicans would believe in Trump more than free markets?

They insist on tying themselves to a loser. In terms of the popular vote, Romney lost to an incumbent by less than Trump lost to Biden. And Trump had the advantages of incumbency. I suppose this is where it's important to maintain the lie that the election was "stolen."

Then there are people who know the Republican Party is a dumpster-fire, so they're ready to convince themselves that someone like Biden represents "socialism" and "critical race theory."

 

[Aridas]

Then there are people who know the Republican Party is a dumpster-fire, so they're ready to convince themselves that someone like Biden represents "socialism" and "critical race theory."

Just because... it may well be worthwhile to get a trend going. If a Republican disdains or fears "critical race theory," it could be interesting to challenge them by asking what they think that critical race theory even is and why they think that it's bad.

 

[newyorkguy]

...They're doing too much damage in the present for me to be very happy about the prospect of the future, but I hope my prediction is right and I live to see at least a little of the gory wreck.

They had a good run, anyway.

 

[Jim_MDP]

They had a good run, anyway.

That leaves out the one guilty of ~60% of our ills ("Reaganomics", anyone?), but I agree... it's a disheartening progression. [emoji3525]

 

[Ladewig]

…, possibly only after having become an obviously demented embarrassment.

Such a state might be obvious to any objective observer, but Trumpkins have spent years shouting down objective observers. If they are willing to follow a crazed con artist and compulsive liar, then is following a demented crazed con artist and compulsive liar really a bridge too far?

 

[Ladewig]

Trump is slipping.
He has low-hanging fruit right in front of him: needs to start a poll asking people if they attended his inauguration.
(1) it keeps him in the news
(2) it provides (Trump-style) evidence that he really did out-inaugurate that Obama character.

 

[slyjoe]

Trump is slipping.
He has low-hanging fruit right in front of him: needs to start a poll asking people if they attended his inauguration.
(1) it keeps him in the news
(2) it provides (Trump-style) evidence that he really did out-inaugurate that Obama character.

Have you seen the polls when they ask people if they attended Woodstock?

 

[quadraginta]

Have you seen the polls when they ask people if they attended Woodstock?

Only a few years after the movie came out I came to the conclusion that I was one of the few people of an appropriate age who hadn't been at Woodstock.

I'm a bit surprised that I didn't notice everyone missing that weekend.

 

[quadraginta]

I'm not sure what to think. Who knew Republicans would believe in Trump more than free markets?
They insist on tying themselves to a loser. In terms of the popular vote, Romney lost to an incumbent by less than Trump lost to Biden. And Trump had the advantages of incumbency. I suppose this is where it's important to maintain the lie that the election was "stolen."

Then there are people who know the Republican Party is a dumpster-fire, so they're ready to convince themselves that someone like Biden represents "socialism" and "critical race theory."

Repugnicans have only believed in free markets to the extent that they can claim something about it in public which furthers their personal political interests.

They have always been fine with government "meddling" in the market when it benefits themselves, their friends, cronies, and, not least, their donors.

Corporate welfare costs this country far more than social welfare ever has.

 

[quadraginta]

Just because... it may well be worthwhile to get a trend going. If a Republican disdains or fears "critical race theory," it could be interesting to challenge them by asking what they think that critical race theory even is and why they think that it's bad.

That sort of tactic has never worked with the sort of people who leap on the Repugnican bandwagon.

THey will either change the subject or become angry and leave.

It's like challenging a fundi's knowledge of what the bible really says. It's about faith and belief, not facts.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

...Repugnican...

I suppose you do this for a reason.

But name calling really doesn't help advance your case. It's as juvenile as "Demorats" or whatever.

Just have to point that out every once in a while.

 

[Segnosaur]

Adding to the "Why are Republicans tying themselves to Trump" question, we have:

From: Yahoo
The National Republican Congressional Committee did not share internal polling data that showed former President Donald Trump has weak numbers in key battleground districts at a retreat for House Republicans in April... Trump's unfavorable ratings were 15 points higher than his favorable ones, and nearly twice as many voters had a strongly unfavorable view of him than those who had a strongly favorable one.
...
Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) told colleagues that Republican campaign officials had also glossed over poor Trump polling during a retreat for ranking committee chairs in March

Of course the idea that Trump has popularity issues shouldn't be a surprise, given the 2020 election, and various public polling results. Does seem strange that the republican party itself would want to hide that information from various congress-critters.

"We know the car is about to drive off the cliff, but we will disable the GPS so you won't worry before it crashes"

 

[Belz...]

I suppose you do this for a reason.

I came up with it, far as I know. Glad that it's catching on.

But name calling really doesn't help advance your case.

We don't use it to advance our case. We use it to label a now-insane political party by calling it repugnant.

 

[Armitage72]

Trump has stated that a "junky" horse winning the Kentucky Derby is just another symptom of everything wrong with the country since the election.

"So now even our Kentucky Derby winner, Medina Spirit, is a junky. This is emblematic of what is happening to our Country. The whole world is laughing at us as we go to hell on our Borders, our fake Presidential Election, and everywhere else."

 

[jimbob]

I came up with it, far as I know. Glad that it's catching on.



We don't use it to advance our case. We use it to label a now-insane political party by calling it repugnant.

I still prefer the slightly less pithy "Antidemocratic Party" which works on two levels

 

[Andy_Ross]

GOPLeader
has sent a letter about recalling Liz Cheney

"Having heard from so many of you in recent days, it’s clear that we need to make a change. As such, you should anticipate a vote on recalling the Conference Chair this Wednesday.”

Contents of letter in link.

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1391829349096116226/photo/1