Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 27

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Segnosaur said:
Fixed it for you.
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Your point is valid (and necessary and I mean that with zero snark) but she does seem to making and... identify I guess you'd call it around being the "Not Republican Republican" and within that context I still question the point.

Or she's setting herself up to be the next Susan Collins, she of "I am so very concerned, lookit how concerned I am, about the thing I've already decided to go along with."
 
JoeMorgue said:
Your point is valid (and necessary and I mean that with zero snark) but she does seem to making and... identify I guess you'd call it around being the "Not Republican Republican" and within that context I still question the point.

Or she's setting herself up to be the next Susan Collins, she of "I am so very concerned, lookit how concerned I am, about the thing I've already decided to go along with."
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I don't see how she's doing that at all. I'd say she's doing very much the opposite.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Your point is valid (and necessary and I mean that with zero snark) but she does seem to making and... identify I guess you'd call it around being the "Not Republican Republican" and within that context I still question the point.
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Yeah. I just wanted to stress (not necessarily to you, but in general) that while Cheney may be doing the right thing now (for whatever reason), she's still on average a detestable person. (99% detestable is still pretty darn close to 100%.)
Or she's setting herself up to be the next Susan Collins, she of "I am so very concerned, lookit how concerned I am, about the thing I've already decided to go along with."
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She could also be doing some doubling down... thinking "I thought more republicans would turn on Trump.... They didn't? Well, I guess I'd better look even more anti-Trump".
 
thaiboxerken said:
It is weird that Trump has such power over the Republicans.
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"Weird" is a possible word, but "disgusting" more accurately describes how I feel about it. There were times over recent years that I just didn't want to even read about American politics because I was repulsed by what was going on. I admit that I wasn't fond of Bush, but it became dramatically worse when Trump became POTUS.

I thought Trump was beat and gone. You guys need to deal with this zombie Trump crap, because it makes me want to puke.
 
eerok said:
"Weird" is a possible word, but "disgusting" more accurately describes how I feel about it. There were times over recent years that I just didn't want to even read about American politics because I was repulsed by what was going on. I admit that I wasn't fond of Bush, but it became dramatically worse when Trump became POTUS.

I thought Trump was beat and gone. You guys need to deal with this zombie Trump crap, because it makes me want to puke.
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It is disgusting yes. However, it really has me confused. The only reason the guy has political power is because elected Republicans let him. The Republican electorate is malleable. If the majority of the elected party members decided to rebuke him for the crimes and immorality he represents, their electorate would follow. If they wanted to, or had the spine to, they could have rid themselves of the Trump cancer many times. I guess Republican officials aren't leaders at all, they are cowards that follow the loudest voice, who is Trump.
 
The Federal Election Commission (FEC) has dropped an inquiry into whether Donald Trump violated campaign financial law during the 2016 election.

The case stemmed from an allegation Mr Trump directed his former lawyer to pay an adult film actress to stop her speaking out about an alleged affair.

The lawyer, Michael Cohen, was later jailed on multiple charges.

The FEC, the regulatory agency tasked with enforcing campaign finance law, announced the case closure Thursday.

It came after the commission, split evenly between Democrats and Republicans, became deadlocked 2-2 on taking action at a closed-door meeting in February.

The vote came months after an internal report recommended that there was "reason to believe" Mr Trump's campaign had knowingly violated campaign finance law.

Two Republicans who voted to dismiss the case said they had concluded it would not be "the best use of agency resources" while two Democrat-aligned commissioners criticised their decision.

"To conclude that a payment, made 13 days before Election Day to hush up a suddenly newsworthy 10-year-old story, was not campaign-related, without so much as conducting an investigation, defies reality," they wrote in a letter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57029342
 
thaiboxerken said:
It is disgusting yes. However, it really has me confused. The only reason the guy has political power is because elected Republicans let him. The Republican electorate is malleable. If the majority of the elected party members decided to rebuke him for the crimes and immorality he represents, their electorate would follow. If they wanted to, or had the spine to, they could have rid themselves of the Trump cancer many times. I guess Republican officials aren't leaders at all, they are cowards that follow the loudest voice, who is Trump.
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The problem with Republicans is that they don't want to govern -- they just want to seize and hold power so they can cash in. Sadly, this explains their allegiance to Trump, who is the king of lying, cheating, and stealing. It's not hard to understand; it's just hard to stomach.

I'm almost at the point where I don't want to watch it happen anymore.
 
Tero said:
It's the votes. They want to milk him for one more round of votes in 2022. Then they can get the Senate and "stop Joe Biden" as Moscow Mitch says.
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If that's their thinking, the Republicans need fewer lawyers and more accountants. Maybe then they could count. Dumb **** got 46.7 percent of the vote. Since January 6th, Trump's favorable rating has dropped in all groups, including Republicans. He only has 80 percent support of Republicans who make up about a thirdish of the electorate. 80 percent of one third does not give you 51 percent.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It is disgusting yes. However, it really has me confused. The only reason the guy has political power is because elected Republicans let him. The Republican electorate is malleable. If the majority of the elected party members decided to rebuke him for the crimes and immorality he represents, their electorate would follow. If they wanted to, or had the spine to, they could have rid themselves of the Trump cancer many times. I guess Republican officials aren't leaders at all, they are cowards that follow the loudest voice, who is Trump.
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I agree completely. Instead of being leaders, they were followers of (in this case) the lowest denominator idiots of Trump cultists.
 
I, as of today am giving up on irony forever. I learned today that the idiot Kushner boy is starting a think tank. Wouldn't the boy have had to have a thought of his own at some point for this? This will be a total day care for the kids who eat paste.
 
bruto said:
It is telling, isn't it that Cheney is, in many ways, a textbook conservative, even reactionary. And the reason that the Republican Party is bouncing her is, essentially, not because she's not conservative enough, but because she is not insane enough.
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Stacyhs said:
Saying that however, you just can't compare what Liz Cheney is doing to anything that Trump did for one very big reason: whatever Trump did that just happened to be right, he never did because it was right; he did it because it somehow benefitted him. What Cheney is doing is killing her political career and she knows it. She is doing it for the benefit of the country. Something that Trump has absolutely no concept of.
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Very well put.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
The Federal Election Commission (FEC) has dropped an inquiry into whether Donald Trump violated campaign financial law during the 2016 election.
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This is yet another example of a trend I don't like. How many times did we hear over the past four years that, "Trump is in big trouble now." or similar such phrases. And, yet, here we are 100+ days since he was shown the door and he's still living the life of luxury in Florida. No indictments. No demands to testify, no grand juries being empaneled, no charges by the IRS for tax evasion, etc. I thought the Orange Goo was going to be in very hot water in very short order.

Apparently not. I'm not at all happy about that.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It is weird that Trump has such power over the Republicans.
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thaiboxerken said:
It is disgusting yes. However, it really has me confused. The only reason the guy has political power is because elected Republicans let him. The Republican electorate is malleable. If the majority of the elected party members decided to rebuke him for the crimes and immorality he represents, their electorate would follow. If they wanted to, or had the spine to, they could have rid themselves of the Trump cancer many times. I guess Republican officials aren't leaders at all, they are cowards that follow the loudest voice, who is Trump.
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Stacyhs said:
I agree completely. Instead of being leaders, they were followers of (in this case) the lowest denominator idiots of Trump cultists.
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I think the situation can be summed up, at least superficially, by invoking two main concepts. First, authoritarianism. Second, to sum up an old quote by a Republican, "We're not in the business of telling our voters things that they don't want to hear."
 
To revisit the net neutrality decision...

NY attorney general finds over 80% of 'public comments' were completely fake. More numerically, almost 18 million out of 22 million were fake comments, with the anti-net neutrality ones submitted without the knowledge of the supposed submitters. Also...

According to the report, “more than half a million messages to members of Congress purportedly signed by their constituents” were sent by the broadband industry. And because the broadband industry knew it was perpetrating a fraud, they made sure to obfuscate the trail of their dirtbaggery.
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Perhaps the worst part of all of this, though...

The New York Attorney General’s office says that the broadband “engaged in fraud” all six times they generated leads this way. As a result, “nearly every comment and message the broadband industry submitted to the FCC and Congress was fake, signed using the names and addresses of millions of individuals without their knowledge or consent.” Protocol reports that the “AG's office reached agreements with three of the lead generation companies, Fluent, Opt-Intelligence and React2Media, which collectively agreed to pay more than $4 million in damages.” Unfortunately, James’ office did not find that the broadband industry itself had violated the laws—they just took advantage of lacking oversight.
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So, in short, it was found that these companies repeatedly engaged in massive scale fraudulent activity, but it's the lacking oversight's fault, so the punishment is just a slap on the wrist for the worst offenders. **** that.
 
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Craig4 said:
If that's their thinking, the Republicans need fewer lawyers and more accountants. Maybe then they could count. Dumb **** got 46.7 percent of the vote. Since January 6th, Trump's favorable rating has dropped in all groups, including Republicans. He only has 80 percent support of Republicans who make up about a thirdish of the electorate. 80 percent of one third does not give you 51 percent.
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With enough vote suppression and gerrymandering, 40% is enough :(
 
Because of gerrymandering, the GOP is beholden to someone like Trump (or Hannity, Carlson, Limbaugh) who can for certain mobilize just enough voters to win without actually having to mount an on-the-ground campaign that might backfire.


If the GOP wants to rid itself of demagogues, it needs to widen its voter base.
 
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