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Meadmaker said:
Well, I'm not a shrink, so my ability to diagnose is not to be taken as reliable. However, the exact thing that leads me to the diagnosis is apparent ranting and raving in one video, while being totally calm, cool, and collected in a different one while discussing the incident, but seeming totally disassociated from it. (He said that the big thing he did wrong during the incident was use the "f bomb".)

I think the kind of bizarre display from that classroom shows more than a little eccentricity.
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That is not necessarily indicative of being bi-polar, but from having time between the two incidents to calm down. He wasn't necessarily 'disassociated' from the event in the school, either.
 
Stacyhs said:
That is not necessarily indicative of being bi-polar, but from having time between the two incidents to calm down. He wasn't necessarily 'disassociated' from the event in the school, either.
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Well I guess I better keep my day job and not switch to psychologist.

I still think he's nuts.
 
Meadmaker said:
Well I guess I better keep my day job and not switch to psychologist.

I still think he's nuts.
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I think it's pretty clear he has a mental health issue, but the problem is people actually diagnosing what particular mental health condition based on the little evidence provided, which was Carrot Flower King's point.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
It looks like that is at least what he is claiming. I just found this quote reported here:

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/repub...religious-rant-check-his-nuts-for-him-please/



I don't think he is lying. I think he probably told the class he was going to do something like this and maybe even told them it would be performance art.

I'm not sure what message he was sending, and I have a degree in art and have written in-depth analysis of really weird art. Unless his message is that he can convincingly portray a creepy, disturbing, bullying, child abusing psychopath. In that case, he relies to heavily on method acting by living the life of a creepy, disturbing, bullying, child abusing psychopath.
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Yeah he might not be lying. Lying might be preferable to really being that crazy to think that was, at any point before when planning it or throughout, in any way sent a coherent message or was a good idea at all, in any way.
 
dirtywick said:
Yeah he might not be lying. Lying might be preferable to really being that crazy to think that was, at any point before when planning it or throughout, in any way sent a coherent message or was a good idea at all, in any way.
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I agree. The argument "I was crazy" could certainly be better than "I decided to be crazy".
 
Meadmaker said:
The essence of mental illness is an inability to distinguish appropriate from inappropriate behavior, and part of that is the setting. What he said wasn't crazy. Saying it that way in that setting, was.

Paddling was pretty normal then, so I wouldn't call anyone who did it mentally ill. Now, schools have policies against that sort of thing, and if someone decided that the problem with kids these days was that corporal punishment had been outlawed and he, personally, was going to fix that problem, and he paddled a student against school policy, I would say he's nuts.

And probably perverted, too.
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****Looks at Calendar**** Hmmmm .... May 5, 2021 Describe perverted. In this day and age "perverted" is a rather broad term. If you went to, say, Pornhub to the categories section, how many of those categories would you define as perverted?
 
dudalb said:
This thread has become a waste of time. Whether or not the guy in mentally ill in a clinical sense, he has shown he is does mot belong in a classroom.which is the main point.
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Yep. All the nitpickers killed it, stone cold dead.
 
Stacyhs said:
No one is "diagnosing" anyone here. What I do see are posts saying that Samsel is exhibiting signs of a "mental health crisis" which is not a diagnosis. That would a specific type of mental health illness which would require, as you say, an actual assessment. It does not require only a professional to recognize that a person is having a "mental health crisis" any more than it requires only a doctor to recognize a broken leg when a femur is visibly sticking out of the skin.



Being "crazy" is not the same thing as having a mental health crisis nor is being "mentally ill".

According to this article "What does a mental health crisis look like?" one of the signs can be:



This is exactly what Samsel did in that classroom along with using incredibly poor judgment in his choice of topic and words. It's far beyond what a teacher/someone used to working with children would know is acceptable behavior. As a former teacher myself, I know this. It wouldn't matter what his personal beliefs are, so speak and behave in that way would be a firing matter.
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Except folk carried on doing just what I said.

And spotting a supposed MH crisis from a video is not particularly accurate: drink or drugs were mentioned; some organic cause is possible; or the guy could just be a twat.

But, oh noes, this is nitpicking...So I'll shut up now.
 
Meadmaker said:
The essence of mental illness is an inability to distinguish appropriate from inappropriate behavior, and part of that is the setting.
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I find that a rather questionable definition of mental illness. But good to know mere depression is not a mental illness.
 
Dabop said:
Um- from Australia....
HELL NO!!!!
The average republican is considered an extremist here, let alone a fundy christian nutcase like him....
(actually he has zero chance of getting into Australia now anyway- he has a criminal record- and his 'character' (yes here in Oz that can still count against you getting a visa) would mean he has zero, zip, zilch chance of getting in...)
Thankfully...
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He doesn't have a criminal record yet.

Besides, keeping those with criminal records out of Australia is an odd break from history.
 
dudalb said:
This thread has become a waste of time. Whether or not the guy in mentally ill in a clinical sense, he has shown he is does mot belong in a classroom.which is the main point.
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I don't think anyone disagrees with that point, so there's not much to discuss there.
 
autumn1971 said:
I’m amazed that I’m apparently the only person here to have gone to school in a Republican controlled school district.
Nothing except the knee to the nuts was even remotely remarkable. In my elementary school there was a Florida Teacher of the Year finalist who regularly paddled fifth grade students. In my middle school the Dean has a fraternity-style paddle that he would use. A parent had to sign a form to opt out of paddling.

In high school you could count on one or two teachers giving sermons in lieu of lessons a few times a year. Yes, they did mention sex/masturbation more than was comfortable.

30 years ago, but not different from the behavior being called a mental health crisis.
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I went to public school in Oklahoma City, graduating in the mid 1980s. Nothing you describe is even remotely like my experience except maybe the paddlings. I know my brothers (five and six years older) spoke of paddlings. I can't recall for certain, but I believe that was still happening in my day. (I was never the recipient or I'd remember, so do take my memories with a grain of salt.

I never heard a sermon in class. I had a geometry class taught by a coach who wasted every Friday playing guitar instead of lecturing, but it was more the scriptures of Neil Young and Jim Croce.
 
Elagabalus said:
****Looks at Calendar**** Hmmmm .... May 5, 2021 Describe perverted. In this day and age "perverted" is a rather broad term. If you went to, say, Pornhub to the categories section, how many of those categories would you define as perverted?
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These days, it's only allowed to be used to describe activities with children.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Really it is only for substitutes, to get a teaching certificate and be a real teacher does have standards. Substitute teachers are more like baby sitters..
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This is the question I have been having.

What in the heck is a substitute doing teaching any lesson of their own design of any sort? Their job is to implement the teaching plan of the teacher they are substituting for (which generally consists of study hall for the day)

Was that teaching stuff in the lesson plan provided for him?
 
pgwenthold said:
This is the question I have been having.

What in the heck is a substitute doing teaching any lesson of their own design of any sort? Their job is to implement the teaching plan of the teacher they are substituting for (which generally consists of study hall for the day)

Was that teaching stuff in the lesson plan provided for him?
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I think since he is in the State Legislature that he is more of a "guest teacher" who comes in to tell the kids about making laws and stuff.
 
Meadmaker said:
These days, it's only allowed to be used to describe activities with children.
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Libturds and RINOs get called perverted all the time over on the RW sites. It doesn't necessarily mean activities with children. It's more of an all encompassing pejorative.
 
phiwum said:
He doesn't have a criminal record yet.

Besides, keeping those with criminal records out of Australia is an odd break from history.
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Could say the same about the US. It used to be used as a penal colony before Australia.
 
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