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Cancel culture IRL

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Stout said:
Given that Sarah Silverman has not only warned us about the pitfalls of cancel culture but also promulgated the idea that progressives are the ones largely pushing cancel culture we would be remiss in our duties as progressives who possess superior moral compasses to point out that cancel culture denial most likely has it's roots in misogyny.
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You seem to be rather unaware of who Sarah Silverman is. I recommend the documentary The Aristocrats for some background.
 
Some wholesome cancel culture at its best. A shop owner paid his employee his final pay check of $915 in pennies coated with oil. This made the news. Now the shop is getting lots of bad online reviews. My pearls have been firmly clutched.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/26/9814...eorgia-man-receives-final-paycheck-in-pennies

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/90000-pennies-paycheck-coinstar_n_606b2ba8c5b66c4ab6b555b0

A OK Walker Autoworks has received a flood of negative Yelp and Google reviews in the aftermath of the strange penny saga.
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d4m10n said:
Have you provided a viable alternative?
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Of course not. I think, I mean literally as literally here, the only interesting thing about cancel culture is how it’s being used as a political wedge by certain individuals. The ability to call any online interaction they don’t like or negative reaction to messages on their side a cancellation, and the flexibility to avoid hypocrisy by simply shifting the definition as needed, by keeping the definition vague is the engine that keeps the game going. You want me to define it, but keeping it poorly defined is how it works.

The left pushes cancellations, but when the right does it, it isn’t a cancellation because that’s something scary the left is doing and they’re coming for you next.

That’s the only thing “new” about cancel culture.
 
dirtywick said:
The left pushes cancellations, but when the right does it, it isn’t a cancellation because that’s something scary the left is doing and they’re coming for you next.
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Is anyone here in this thread pushing this double standard? (If not, why bring it up?)

dirtywick said:
You want me to define it, but keeping it poorly defined is how it works.
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We're going to continue to disagree on whether dictionary.com did poorly when defining this phrase.
 
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d4m10n said:
Is anyone here in this thread pushing this double standard? (If not, why bring it up?)
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I think, to a certain extent, if you ignore the broader context of the environment that this cancel culture national dialogue is happening it favors the idea that the double standard doesn’t exist or that one side of the political spectrum is primarily responsible for it, or that it’s inherently bad. As to why I brought it up, it’s what’s going on in the world whether or not specific individuals in this discussion are actively promoting it. I think it’s much more important and interesting to talk a lot the broader effects rather than details of specific incidents to try and score gotcha points.

We're going to continue to disagree on whether dictionary.com did poorly when defining this phrase.
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Yeah it seems so. I mean, it’s absolutely a definition. Definitely vague enough to describe almost any interaction you want. I guess in that regard it is good.
 
Stout said:
Given that Sarah Silverman has not only warned us about the pitfalls of cancel culture but also promulgated the idea that progressives are the ones largely pushing cancel culture we would be remiss in our duties as progressives who possess superior moral compasses to point out that cancel culture denial most likely has it's roots in misogyny.
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Sarah Silverman's whole "Someone who looks like the classic Nice Jewish Girl says four letter words and says shocking things" shtick got old a long time ago.
 
d4m10n said:
We're going to continue to disagree on whether dictionary.com did poorly when defining this phrase.
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I’ll comment on this real quick a little further. A key component, perhaps the most important, of cancel culture is people being fired for conduct unrelated to their jobs. For example, I’ve been a sports fan for my whole life, and part of being a sports fan is calling for coaches or players to be fired when they’re under performing, or especially making a minor mistake. That’s not cancel culture, that’s just common sense. But calling for a player to be fired for kneeling during the anthem even though he’s performing on the field, different situations.

Any definition that doesn’t make that distinction isn’t any good in my opinion
 
dirtywick said:
I mean, it’s absolutely a definition. Definitely vague enough to describe almost any interaction you want.
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Doesn't seem to fit any of the interactions I've had on this board, or any other discussion forum outside of (occasionally) Facebook and (much more often) Twitter.

dirtywick said:
I’ll comment on this real quick a little further. A key component, perhaps the most important, of cancel culture is people being fired for conduct unrelated to their jobs.
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I really don't think you can jam this component into the definition b/c so many of the oft-discussed cancellees have image management as (at least an implicit) part of their job description as public figures.
 
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d4m10n said:
Doesn't seem to fit any of the interactions I've had on this board, or any other discussion forum outside of (occasionally) Facebook and (much more often) Twitter.
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You’re not a public figure or company.

Which kind of eliminates my primary problem with cancel culture, that a private person can go viral and attract all kinds of undue and undeserved attention. That doesn’t fit the definition either.

I really don't think you can jam this component into the definition b/c so many of the oft-discussed cancellees have image management as (at least an implicit) part of their job description as public figures.
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Yes, it’s why it’s a bit ridiculous for celebs to complain about it in my opinion. That they feel they should be above criticism and are entitled support no matter their actions isn’t realistic or reflective of a free society.
 
Dr. Keith said:
You seem to be rather unaware of who Sarah Silverman is. I recommend the documentary The Aristocrats for some background.
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It matters not who she is only that her input may make a little bit of headway into finally nailing down that working definition of cancel culture which, so far, has remained very elusive.
 
dirtywick said:
Which kind of eliminates my primary problem with cancel culture, that a private person can go viral and attract all kinds of undue and undeserved attention. That doesn’t fit the definition either.
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When someone becomes instantly and globally infamous while going viral, it's hard for me to say that they remain a private figure for all purposes.

(For example, I'd hate to be Kimberly A. Potter right now.)
 
dirtywick said:
I’ll comment on this real quick a little further. A key component, perhaps the most important, of cancel culture is people being fired for conduct unrelated to their jobs. For example, I’ve been a sports fan for my whole life, and part of being a sports fan is calling for coaches or players to be fired when they’re under performing, or especially making a minor mistake. That’s not cancel culture, that’s just common sense. But calling for a player to be fired for kneeling during the anthem even though he’s performing on the field, different situations.

Any definition that doesn’t make that distinction isn’t any good in my opinion
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There is also a difference between "cancelling" someone because of their bad behaviour, and cancelling them because they exhibit behaviour that someone doesn't like

In your example, a player "cancelled" for taking a knee is not doing anything wrong, or immoral, or illegal but they are doing something The Right doesn't like... i.e. showing support and solidarity for brown people.

On the other hand a person "cancelled" for calling the cops on a black person who had the temerity to point out the rules of the park, and tell them to put their dog on a leash, got exactly what they deserved because what they did was wrong, and immoral, and illegal.
 
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d4m10n said:
When someone becomes instantly and globally infamous while going viral, it's hard for me to say that they remain a private figure for all purposes.

(For example, I'd hate to be Kimberly A. Potter right now.)
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Well, me too. I've worked pretty hard to build a career and family that I like and changing into some random stranger just doesn't have much appeal.

Or did you mean something else but were not confident enough to elaborate?
 
Stout said:
It matters not who she is only that her input may make a little bit of headway into finally nailing down that working definition of cancel culture which, so far, has remained very elusive.
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But you really should watch the documentary. It is well done.
 
Interesting to see how Lindsay Ellis handles cancellation by Twitter activists:



The section at 1:26:00 or so "The Beast" is particularly insightful about the nature of the culture that shall not be named.
 
d4m10n said:
Interesting to see how Lindsay Ellis handles cancellation by Twitter activists:



The section at 1:26:00 or so "The Beast" is particularly insightful about the nature of the culture that shall not be named.
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You don't honestly expect anyone to watch a nearly 2 hour video of some rando whining about whatever, right?
 
d4m10n said:
Man, I really should've put in a timestamp to the five minute segment of interest. My bad.
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Hell, she put timestamps in the comments. (and I'd hardly call Lindsay Ellis a 'rando').

The Lindsay Ellis 'cancelling' is real molehill where right wingers (who have hated her forever) fed info to a wokescold crowd wanting a target and getting into a ludicrous frenzy. Thankfully, despite the noise this hasn't seemed to have worked. Lindsay was obviously emotionally drained by the experience but is now returned to twitter. And the fact that so many of those celebrating her brief departure went into a fury of "Jenny's Next!!!" tweets speaks volumes given that Jenny is one of the most wholesome and insightful youtubers out there.
 
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