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The behaviour of US police officers

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dudalb said:
Police Brutality, yes.
Racism, not so sure about in this case.
Agree that too many people in this forum make up their minds about these kind of cases automatically, without waiting for facts,to fit in with their political ideology.
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That depends on the circumstances of firing on a fleeing suspect.
 
jimbob said:
I know you were in the Navy... out of interest, do you have an idea what sort of penalty someone eould face for a negligent discharge that killed someone?
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No idea, It would be handed over to the civil authorities I would think.
 
It would be a lot safer if they just gave the cops Lawgiver MKIIs like Judge Dredd has. Voice activated, so the cops can just yell "Stun!"

The Lawgiver MK II is capable of firing the following different types of ammunition:

Standard Execution (SE): ammunition used in response to generic situations.

Armor-Piercing (AP): ammunition used to deal with Robots or lifeforms wearing body armor. Armor-Piercing rounds are also powerful enough to go through cover or multiple unarmored perps.

Ricochet (R): rubber-titanium ammunition used to shoot perps around corners and behind cover. Can be used in standoff situations to allow Judges to shoot around hostages.

Incendiary (I): partially explosive chemical rounds that ignite whatever target they hit.

High-Explosive (HE, Hi-Ex): these rounds can be used when a situation calls for a forced entry into an area and there isn't time to wait for heavier reinforcements.

Heatseeker (HS or "Hot Shot"): rounds that lock on and seek targets by their body-heat. Can be used in combination with Incendiary rounds.
Gas Rounds (optional)

The Grenade bullet was replaced by a larger clip-on Fragmentation grenade shell.

Additionally, this model of Lawgiver also has a built-in Stun-Shot system, which runs on an internal battery pack. It fires a Neuro-Electric Energy Pulse that scrambles the target's nervous system, causing them to faint. The pulse has no lasting side-effects, though it may cause heart failure, epileptic seizures, or permanent Central Nervous System damage. A depleted battery pack can be recharged at a station house or from a Lawmaster's power system.
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dudalb said:
Police Brutality, yes.
Racism, not so sure about in this case.
Agree that too many people in this forum make up their minds about these kind of cases automatically, without waiting for facts,to fit in with their political ideology.
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I'm not sure tasing the guy in this situation would be police brutality (I don't know!), and that is apparently what the officer meant to do. As soon as she fires you can hear her say "****" (I think) then tell the other officers that she shot him. It seems accidental in every way that I can tell.

If it was an accidental shooting, and I believe it was, then there was no deliberate brutality, unless tasing the man is considered brutality, which it very well may be. Up to the point of the shooting I didn't see the police do anything wrong.

Sorry, but this situation is not a good example of police brutality. Incompetence or worse, hell yes very much so. Maybe I'm not getting the whole story though.
 
mgidm86 said:
I'm not sure tasing the guy in this situation would be police brutality (I don't know!), and that is apparently what the officer meant to do. As soon as she fires you can hear her say "****" (I think) then tell the other officers that she shot him. It seems accidental in every way that I can tell.

If it was an accidental shooting, and I believe it was, then there was no deliberate brutality, unless tasing the man is considered brutality, which it very well may be. Up to the point of the shooting I didn't see the police do anything wrong.

Sorry, but this situation is not a good example of police brutality. Incompetence or worse, hell yes very much so. Maybe I'm not getting the whole story though.
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But why did she need to taser him in the first place?

There have been lots of exposés where people show hundreds of folks in any city with outstanding warrants that could be picked up at their homes, their addresses are on file and the police don't bother to go get them.

They pulled this car over on a mostly bogus charge in the first place. Apparently illegal or not to have anything hanging off your rearview mirror, more blacks are dinged for this than whites. This is the typical traffic stop for: Those people look suspicious.

And they 'accidentally' kill the guy. Over nothing!
 
Not really funny haha but funny, "Groundhog Day For a Black Man," from 2016, a 4:16 short starring Burl Moseley, Ryan Stranger and written/directed by Cynthia Kao. From the liner notes:
When a black man lives the same day over and over again, he tries changing his behavior to survive a police interaction.
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The video is a satire, of course. But consider the most notorious recent incident, George Floyd in Minneapolis. The officers involved apparently wrote reports afterwards stating "Mr. Floyd" had suffered a medical event after being taken into custody without incident. None of the other officers or the EMS crew present contradicted that account. It was only when the cell phone footage surfaced -- and began going viral -- that everything changed. Without the cell phone video none of us would have ever heard of George Floyd or Derek Chauvin. That's sobering and sad.
 

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And I believe a taser has bright yellow markings which are supposed to be a visual cue, not to mention the different shape. I wouldn't be surprised if this incites a completely new design for them, like they did for airplane controls.
 
I have kind of come to theconclusion after looking at it all she is either extremely thick, to the point of maybe be classified on the handicapped scale, by not being able to tell a fully coated day glow yellow taser from a black gun, or the weight difference between a piece of plastic and a loaded pistol.

Which should have ruled her out from qualifying her as fit to be a cop in the first place.

Or is a gibbering wreck who basically loses it in pressure situations, probably had her eyes closed, panicked and just **** bricks, while her brain told her in the background gun gun gun!

Which should have ruled her out from qualifying her as fit to be a cop in the first place.

I don't actually see much of a racial side tbh, though the initial pulling the dude over may have been led by this.

I think it was probably a genuine accident, caused by picking idiots to be cops, and the blame probably lies with her force.

She should never be able to wear a uniform again, at least in the field, and should probably get a bit of time inside to wake her up.

And her department should be sued to death and forced to pay out a **** load of money to the dudes family. Not that it will be bring him back
 
jimbob said:
I know you were in the Navy... out of interest, do you have an idea what sort of penalty someone eould face for a negligent discharge that killed someone?
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In the British Army - potentially 2 years imprisonment.

In the UK Police Force - whadaya think......? More stringent punishments perhaps? Well here you go,

Worst case, a "Superindenents Written Warning", through "Management Action" down to "Advice & Guidance" arriving at, "No further Action".
 
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acbytesla said:
They are ALL taught the importance of imposing their authority when it is called for. They are taught how to protect themselves and take someone down and control them.

And you are right that standards somewhat vary from state to state and jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But I don't think it's the standards that are the problem. It's the people they choose to be police officers and the tribalism that exists among police officers. The job also wears on police officers. They get cynical and some live for the adrenaline.

And some are just stupid.
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I have wondered how we can help avoid that. Should you be limited for how long you can remain in the police force (and other similar professions)? I think it is understandable that having to deal with the “dregs of society “ day in day out can sour your outlook and can mean it negative affects how you interact with people in general.
 
Everyone in the PD of the Officer who couldn't tell her gun from a tazer needs to be fired, then they can re-apply for their job if they can demonstrate adequate weapon training.
 
The officer has been placed on administrative leave - temporary leave with benefits and salary still paid.

Mayor Elliot has said she should be fired. He will make a decision on Tuesday about whether Chief Gannon will keep his job,
 
As for the weight difference between the taser and the gu.

Information on the weight of a glock has been posted.

That is the empty weight of just the gun Glock 17 710 grams
Add the weight of 17 rounds of ammunition takes it to around 920 grams
That is with 'standard' NATO ammunition, depending on the bullet some ammunition is slightly heavier or lighter .
 
acbytesla said:
...Cops face almost constant verbal abuse on the job...
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Hence the phrase, the public gets the police they deserve.

It is odd to me that the US police have so many tiny police forces, which must recruit locally, be known locally, yet behave more like an occupying force. Much of my career was in the Scottish Highlands, where may police were single crewed, often also working alone on islands and were very reliant on public cooperation that had to be carefully cultivated and preserved.

The police in the USA appear to be far more detached from the public than they are in the UK.
 
bluesjnr said:
In the British Army - potentially 2 years imprisonment.

In the UK Police Force - whadaya think......? More stringent punishments perhaps? Well here you go,

Worst case, a "Superindenents Written Warning", through "Management Action" down to "Advice & Guidance" arriving at, "No further Action".
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I do not think there has been a death or injury caused by a negligent discharge of a firearm in the UK police. There have been negligent discharges during training and that resulted in the officer losing AFO status and disciplinary action.
 
lomiller said:
I was thinking that, but I think manslaughter still requires you be doing something out of the ordinary that is reckless or dangerous. possibly non-criminal negligence charges could be the extend of it.
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Pointing a firearm at someone accidentally and firing it, causing death, is like a textbook definition of reckless conduct causing death.
 
Nessie said:
I do not think there has been a death or injury caused by a negligent discharge of a firearm in the UK police. There have been negligent discharges during training and that resulted in the officer losing AFO status and disciplinary action.
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In the US they might've been promoted.
 
The cop is named as Kim Potter, 26 years service and police union President.
 
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