Perpetual motion machine examination rules, please.
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A fan can't just run by itself!
Natural sources don't count. That is...if you count wind, sun, river flows, tidal, etc.,..these do not count. You literally have to just have a fan sticking out of a box, that just goes by itself. Good luck. LOL
And if you want to quote someone so it comes up in that pretty blue box, you just click your mouse over the word "quote" in the bottom right corner. Then start typing your reply below that quote.
He *ISN'T* interested in if it works! He is interested *HOW* it works, duh.
Anybody can make a fan mysteriously work, shrouded by a box. I could get Ghallager to make me one. Or Penn and Teller. Or David Blaine. Or Chris Angel. (Heck, Davod Blaine or Chris Angel could make the fan work if they tossed it at a bus windshield from the INSIDE and the fan would be going on the OUTSIDE of the windshield!! LOL
There is no way a fan can just spin by itself. If there was, Leonardo DaVinci would have thought of it. Every inventor for centuries has concentrated on wheels that spin themselves, as this seems like something doable, and hence inventor types who think that they are smarter than the next guy are going to think they can beat the law of Thermodynamics/entropy.
But fowlsound, I disagree that he would win the Nobel Prize. After all, it would be a useless toy. A toy that just garners curiousity, but no more. If it has no residual power to run anything else, (like at least Joe Newman's energy machine was purported to do) it would be as useless as that fan wheel that can turn (perpetually?) by sunlight. You've seen those, right. Them 4-sided vane things in the glass dome? A useless toy. No Nobel Prize for IT. And for all practical purposes, THAT is like perpetual motion.
Keep naming things...like sun, water, magnets...none of these count. All you can have is a fan, in unmoving air (and if it was shown the air was utilized as a fuel they would discount that too, probably). That's all. Sorry. You lose. I too have worked on perpetual motion wheels and if i can't get credit for one (I did come up with one that would work with water), then you can't have one either. Ha.
How did YOU know, that *I* went through the very stuff you describe?! And my 9-page scaled and colored drawing of my water wheel, that went in and out of water, seemed like it would work. But I knew in my heart that it would be too good to be true. It took me weeks to finally figure out where I made my mistake, and I have kept the papers and wrote across the top: Dave's Folly.
Also, I was ingrigued how you mentioned about anti-gravity. I *too* had thought of trying to block gravity, or block one side of a magnet. I figured if I could do this, then for *sure* such a perpetual motion device would work. Obviously, thinking type people all have these same thoughts, and it's nothing unique...and none work. It's all a folly of one's ego.
I am here,
What is your I.Q.? I doubt you have come up with anything if your I.Q. is not above 180. Too many people that are around 140 I.Q. have made all kinds of wheel devices that don't work. You truly would have to have the I.Q. to have figured out an anti-gravity or magnet blocker, to make your device work. Sorry. And since you can't prove it works by showing anybody, you will just go to your grave...out of fear, due to your greed, and nobody will believe you even if you did come up with such a device, so it be just the same as if you never came up with it. Tooo bad. Sorry.
What is your I.Q.? I doubt you have come up with anything if your I.Q. is not above 180. Too many people that are around 140 I.Q. have made all kinds of wheel devices that don't work. You truly would have to have the I.Q. to have figured out an anti-gravity or magnet blocker, to make your device work. Sorry. And since you can't prove it works by showing anybody, you will just go to your grave...out of fear, due to your greed, and nobody will believe you even if you did come up with such a device, so it be just the same as if you never came up with it. Tooo bad. Sorry.
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Every day you become just that little bit more of a forum legend.
Yeah, why bother reading posts entirely, when blathering about "El Zilcho & Don Promillo" in EIGHT DIFFERENT POSTS says so much more about your/self?
Like Stephen Colbert would say: "Iamme, you're on notice!"
Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!
whew. Thank you Iamme, I needed a good laugh.
You may return to calling the kettle black.
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whew. Thank you Iamme, I needed a good laugh.
The boy is good, is he not?
Free Energy machines
I follow a few "free energy" mailing lists.
You see lots of claims, but NO PROOF.
Regarding "I am here" claim about a cardbord box 6 feet high * 6 feet wide * 2 feet deep, that has shaft that turns a fan, there could be a person inside. ;-)
It was so silly a description that it had to be a joke.
Now if that fan blade was 30 feet diameter like the fans used at NASA's
Ames windtunnel with 22,000 HP on each fan and that 6 foot or 1.8 meter
high box could run that fan at full speed for hours with no external energy input needed, THEN "I am here" would have something worthwhile. But a million dollar prize wouldn't be important to him anymore.
(6 foot = 182.88 cm but we assume that '6 foot" is casual reference)
The "inventors" tend to obfuscate when asked simple questions about how input power and output power was measured. Or if they have actually BUILT a WORKING MODEL yet.
Look up "museum of unworkable devices" (I don't remember exact URL)
for a collection of many drawings of "perpetual motion" machines that
have been thought of for hundreds of years.
Most likely some "inventors 'new idea" will be similar to past ideas.
Dennis Lee is the most active money seeking "free energy" promoter.
Dennis claims he can make a Free Electricity Generator that will produce
30 KW of electricity using Hummingbird motor and Sundance Generator.
He claims the Humingbird motor was demonstrated on his 1999 tour
across the USA and it produces "5 units of power output for 1 unit of power
input." When he combines that with the Sundance generators that is "100% efficient", then he will have Free Electricity Generator, rated 30 KW.
BUT first Dennis needs 1,600,000 "witnesses" to see 100 simultaneous demonstrations at stadiums across the USA, in all the states. That way it can't be suppressed by big business and goverment.
Dennis has "recruiters" who help sign people up as "witnesses".
The "witnesses" are promised to have FEG installed on their homes and
get up to 26,000 KWh of electrical energy every year for free. The rest of the electrical energy will be sold back to Electric Utilility at 5 cents per KWh.
The profit from that will be used to pay $1000 per year commission to the "recruiters" and possible $5000 per year to Christian churches that
sign up their congregation (members) to be "witnesses".
Dennis Lee has telephone conference call for his "recruiters" on Thursdays,
7:00 to 9:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
Phone 646-519-5860 PIN 3560
NOTE: Dennis does most of the talking, only allows people to ask questions during last hour or so. Most of the questions are asking for standard information like what Dennis Lee's fax number is, etc.
People ask how many "witnesses" Dennis has now and how soon he thinks he will have enough. Dennis answers that he needs about a million more witnesse. Problem is he's needed another million witnesses for past few years, so it seems Dennis Lee isn't making much progress. ;-)
Dennis Lee has started a new "program" for finding "witnesses" that is
Multi Level Marketing. Dennis wants people to sell the products he has available now and have others sell on your "downline".
The products include "Magnetic laundry balls" that replace detergent, etc.
I've listened to a few of those teleconference calls. Hard to listen to Dennis Lee drone on and on about how he has been persecuted and suppressed
for trying to bring out free energy, etc. Then he tells how rich everyone will soon be when he can get those 1,600,000 "witnesses" needed so he can demonstrate the 30 KW FEG at 100 locations simultaneously and start installing millions of those FEG across the country. Dennis figures he will be making all the electricity needed, without pollution or fuel and making billions of dollars every year. Those profits will be donated to Christian churches.
Some of the people on those calls say they "sponsored" NUAF "stewards"
for $15 each, hoping to get commissions from products the NUAF steward buys and 9 more people the steward gets to sign up with NUAF, National Union of American Families.
One caller said he "sponsored" 300 "stewards", that's $4500. Another said he "sponsored" 2000, that's $30,000 AND they want to spend more on Dennis Lee's new program. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
NUAF and Dennis Lee sold 120,000 of those $15 "sponsorships", that totals $1,800,000 but WHERE did that money go?
Has any of those "investors" made any money back yet?
NUAF was last year's plan, now Dennis will be doing a new tour in 2006 to select cities across the USA, demonstrating a few of his "unique products".
BUT the products he actually sells are available elsehwere, probably cheaper, and the trully amazing products like "laser camera that sees through walls, engine that runs on birdseed, etc. are just videotape.
The gadgets Dennis Lee does show like "engine that runs on water" is red Murray lawnmower with jars and pipes connected to carberator. Dennis mixes gasoline, water, soda pop, etc. and the engine runs from the gasoline that floats on top of water and evaporates faster from the heat of exhaust pipe that goes through the jar. Engine only ran a minute or two.
Dennis claims they can convert car engines to get double the fuel mileage, etc. but when they get the system all adjusted, the gasoline companies change formulation so that entire system has to be disassembled and readjusted again.
Gee Dennis, it's been 5 years since your 2001 tour when you made same claims that "soon" you would be converting car engines to run on water.
At least on the 2006 tour, Dennis says he will only talk and demonstrate for 2
hours instead of the over 5 hours straight he did on his 2001 tour.
So if you have cheap long distance telephone service and can wait until Dennis shuts up and the silly questions are done, maybe you can ask Dennis Lee for more information about his "Free Electricity Program".
Here is quick list of information about Dennis Lee and companies.
Look up "Better World Tech" in Newfoundland, NJ using online telephone directory for more information. Dennis uses FAX primarily for communication.
FAX 973-208-7699 or 7899
UCSA or BWT or other company names Dennis uses
3002 Route 23 North, Newfoundland, NJ 07435
But Dennis Lee doesn't directly read e-mail, his assistant does all the email and website design
Joe Newman also has been promising "free energy" machine for 20 years
BUT Joe never allows any real expert testing to verify his claims of more power output than input.
I follow a few "free energy" mailing lists.
You see lots of claims, but NO PROOF.
Regarding "I am here" claim about a cardbord box 6 feet high * 6 feet wide * 2 feet deep, that has shaft that turns a fan, there could be a person inside. ;-)
It was so silly a description that it had to be a joke.
Now if that fan blade was 30 feet diameter like the fans used at NASA's
Ames windtunnel with 22,000 HP on each fan and that 6 foot or 1.8 meter
high box could run that fan at full speed for hours with no external energy input needed, THEN "I am here" would have something worthwhile. But a million dollar prize wouldn't be important to him anymore.
(6 foot = 182.88 cm but we assume that '6 foot" is casual reference)
The "inventors" tend to obfuscate when asked simple questions about how input power and output power was measured. Or if they have actually BUILT a WORKING MODEL yet.
Look up "museum of unworkable devices" (I don't remember exact URL)
for a collection of many drawings of "perpetual motion" machines that
have been thought of for hundreds of years.
Most likely some "inventors 'new idea" will be similar to past ideas.
Dennis Lee is the most active money seeking "free energy" promoter.
Dennis claims he can make a Free Electricity Generator that will produce
30 KW of electricity using Hummingbird motor and Sundance Generator.
He claims the Humingbird motor was demonstrated on his 1999 tour
across the USA and it produces "5 units of power output for 1 unit of power
input." When he combines that with the Sundance generators that is "100% efficient", then he will have Free Electricity Generator, rated 30 KW.
BUT first Dennis needs 1,600,000 "witnesses" to see 100 simultaneous demonstrations at stadiums across the USA, in all the states. That way it can't be suppressed by big business and goverment.
Dennis has "recruiters" who help sign people up as "witnesses".
The "witnesses" are promised to have FEG installed on their homes and
get up to 26,000 KWh of electrical energy every year for free. The rest of the electrical energy will be sold back to Electric Utilility at 5 cents per KWh.
The profit from that will be used to pay $1000 per year commission to the "recruiters" and possible $5000 per year to Christian churches that
sign up their congregation (members) to be "witnesses".
Dennis Lee has telephone conference call for his "recruiters" on Thursdays,
7:00 to 9:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
Phone 646-519-5860 PIN 3560
NOTE: Dennis does most of the talking, only allows people to ask questions during last hour or so. Most of the questions are asking for standard information like what Dennis Lee's fax number is, etc.
People ask how many "witnesses" Dennis has now and how soon he thinks he will have enough. Dennis answers that he needs about a million more witnesse. Problem is he's needed another million witnesses for past few years, so it seems Dennis Lee isn't making much progress. ;-)
Dennis Lee has started a new "program" for finding "witnesses" that is
Multi Level Marketing. Dennis wants people to sell the products he has available now and have others sell on your "downline".
The products include "Magnetic laundry balls" that replace detergent, etc.
I've listened to a few of those teleconference calls. Hard to listen to Dennis Lee drone on and on about how he has been persecuted and suppressed
for trying to bring out free energy, etc. Then he tells how rich everyone will soon be when he can get those 1,600,000 "witnesses" needed so he can demonstrate the 30 KW FEG at 100 locations simultaneously and start installing millions of those FEG across the country. Dennis figures he will be making all the electricity needed, without pollution or fuel and making billions of dollars every year. Those profits will be donated to Christian churches.
Some of the people on those calls say they "sponsored" NUAF "stewards"
for $15 each, hoping to get commissions from products the NUAF steward buys and 9 more people the steward gets to sign up with NUAF, National Union of American Families.
One caller said he "sponsored" 300 "stewards", that's $4500. Another said he "sponsored" 2000, that's $30,000 AND they want to spend more on Dennis Lee's new program. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
NUAF and Dennis Lee sold 120,000 of those $15 "sponsorships", that totals $1,800,000 but WHERE did that money go? Has any of those "investors" made any money back yet?
NUAF was last year's plan, now Dennis will be doing a new tour in 2006 to select cities across the USA, demonstrating a few of his "unique products".
BUT the products he actually sells are available elsehwere, probably cheaper, and the trully amazing products like "laser camera that sees through walls, engine that runs on birdseed, etc. are just videotape.
The gadgets Dennis Lee does show like "engine that runs on water" is red Murray lawnmower with jars and pipes connected to carberator. Dennis mixes gasoline, water, soda pop, etc. and the engine runs from the gasoline that floats on top of water and evaporates faster from the heat of exhaust pipe that goes through the jar. Engine only ran a minute or two.
Dennis claims they can convert car engines to get double the fuel mileage, etc. but when they get the system all adjusted, the gasoline companies change formulation so that entire system has to be disassembled and readjusted again.
Gee Dennis, it's been 5 years since your 2001 tour when you made same claims that "soon" you would be converting car engines to run on water.
At least on the 2006 tour, Dennis says he will only talk and demonstrate for 2
hours instead of the over 5 hours straight he did on his 2001 tour.
So if you have cheap long distance telephone service and can wait until Dennis shuts up and the silly questions are done, maybe you can ask Dennis Lee for more information about his "Free Electricity Program".
Here is quick list of information about Dennis Lee and companies.
Look up "Better World Tech" in Newfoundland, NJ using online telephone directory for more information. Dennis uses FAX primarily for communication.
FAX 973-208-7699 or 7899
UCSA or BWT or other company names Dennis uses
3002 Route 23 North, Newfoundland, NJ 07435
But Dennis Lee doesn't directly read e-mail, his assistant does all the email and website design
Joe Newman also has been promising "free energy" machine for 20 years
BUT Joe never allows any real expert testing to verify his claims of more power output than input.
Museum of unworkable devices link: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm
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texino
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Hello, it is Texino. Maybe you have heard this term, "knock into the middle of next week." ? I think maybe you did this to annoying Sr. I am here. Then again if you really did it, you would win the pig! Ha ha ha. An entertainment, to read!
Thank you
Texino
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Texino
Mendeli
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umm... eh... there's a patent for it so it must be true then?
Motionless Electromagnetic Generator...
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
Motionless Electromagnetic Generator...
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
I wonder why Mr. Bearden did not yet apply for the JREF Challenge?
Randi said in his lecture at Princeton (a couple of years ago - got no exact date, sorry) that he visited with at least two people who claimed to have a PMD. One even had a patent for it.
Randi also expressed his amazement as to why these patents had gotten issued, because the devices DID NOT WORK. For reason of friction.
Perhaps I am here will surprise us with a working model soon.
moopet
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Really? It doesn't take any energy to overcome the friction of the bearing? I suppose some form of magnetic bearing might solve that, actually. But it certainly requires energy to give it the initial rotational velocity. Someone hitting it with a stick or cranking a handle to start it seems like cheating to me.