Earthborn
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It definitely is not as big a deal as some transphobes make it out to be when arguing "prepubescent kids shouldn't transition".
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[ED] Discussion: Trans Women Are not Women (Part 6)
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Belz...
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Maybe you should lay off the reflexive labeling of people who don't agree with you as bigots. It doesn't sound like you're open to discussion, when you do that.
I was considering objecting to Theprestige's peak trans narrative, but now that you mention it, it does seem too stilted to be real. It seems like he's trying to re-make himself.
ponderingturtle
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Yes.
Earthborn
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If you don't want an honest answer to a question that starts with "is it transphobic to..." then don't ask it, because the answer may very well be "yes".
Now that you have a better idea of transitioning means for prepubescent children, and you do not have a problem with it, may be you are not transphobic.
Earthborn
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It is massively important that we don't make a big deal out of it.
Here's the true insanity of it.
My "transphobia" has nothing to do with how I treat transpeople, but how I treat cis-people.
A transperson can come in my bathroom and I couldn't care less. I'm a transphobe because I won't kick the cis-person of the other biological sex than me out of the bathroom so the transperson is a special exception to the rule.
My "transphobia" has nothing to do with how I treat transpeople, but how I treat cis-people.
A transperson can come in my bathroom and I couldn't care less. I'm a transphobe because I won't kick the cis-person of the other biological sex than me out of the bathroom so the transperson is a special exception to the rule.
Belz...
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What a dishonest answer. I'm asking you to not assume people are transphobic just for disagreeing with you on aspects of the discussion.
See? You are browbeating people into agreeing with you by saying that they are transphobic if they don't. Hell, even if they do they may still be transphobic.
It doesn't belong in state law. It belongs in medical protocol.
Or, to use the vernacular, it's "government overreach".
Belz...
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Did you notice that this has nothing to do with the question you were responding to?
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If they are making a transphobic argument why shouldn't it be called as it is?
I mean I guess they go around telling all children that they can not possibly know what gender they are but that seems highly unlikely as that behavior seems exclusive a reaction to trans children.
Here is a description of social transitioning and its consequences, from Dr Ken Zucker, who is arguably the foremost expert in the world on gender dysphoria in children, and Chair of the DSM5 work group on sexual and gender identity disorders (who revised the definitions of gender dysphoria to the current one).
Of course many trans activists think they know better.
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Arkansas legislature has overridden the governor's veto. The bill makes it illegal for children to receive trans affirming medical care in the state and is expected to take effect in July.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/arkansas-lawmakers-enact-transgender-youth-treatment-ban-n1263197
Arkansas lawmakers will have blood on their hands if this clearly bigoted law survives legal challenge.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/arkansas-lawmakers-enact-transgender-youth-treatment-ban-n1263197
Arkansas lawmakers will have blood on their hands if this clearly bigoted law survives legal challenge.
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I assumed you were referring to a bill.
ETA: Earthborn has a point (although it may not be exactly what she meant). If your compass of whether a statement is bigoted is so weak that you have to ask someone, then you practically are a bigot.
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Where did that theory come from?Meadmaker
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I said that leagues could allow exceptions if people had undergone medical treatments. I can't remember the exact phrasing of what I said, but it was there.
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I'm "on the other side" of this issue, but that's just plain nuts. In all seriousness, it's so nuts that I will probably look up the bill to see if the news stories are grossly distorting the reality of the bill. I can't see how a bill like that could even get a hearing.
I could see one of our super-right GOP state senators introducing a deliberately over the top anti-trans bill to establish his bona-fides with his right wing constituency. There are a lot of kooks in state legislatures. The jobs usually don't pay all that much, so they don't always attract the best people.
Anyway, if the bill is as described, it's kooky, and I would hope it dies a quick death, unworthy of mention. I guess we'll see.
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theprestige
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Yes, there's also that.
Belz...
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That doesn't even make any sense. Nor does it refer to anything said here. That's such a weird thing to post that I struggle to see what the point is.
I've asked what is specifically transphobic about that part of the bill. We've had discussion in this thread about the possible ills of transitioning children before puberty or using blockers. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the question. Irrespective of the overreach issue, I wanted to know why even raising the point was seen as transphobic.
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