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Cancel culture IRL

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dirtywick said:
It does make it a bit weird I agree. There are right wing legislators right now introducing bills to punish companies who are publicly opposing their political agenda in Georgia, publicly warning them to stop or there will be consequences. They are directly attributing this response to cancel culture. This is a real first amendment and free speech issue. How these politicians are using it as cover to abuse their power is interesting to me. The right wing media that enables them to do it is also interesting. The people that are against cancel culture but gladly cheer it on are interesting.

If certain posters in this thread think that doesn’t count or isnt really cancel culture and would rather talk about potential abuse or reach on social media, that’s fine, I don’t want to stop you. I’m just telling you that’s not a topic that interests me as much and that I’m not going to limit myself to discussing it when there’s much more interesting aspects to it happening currently. I’m sorry if I wasn’t as clear abou that as I could have been.
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Do you have a link? I don't know what is going on in Georgia, but I'd like to.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Do you have a link? I don't know what is going on in Georgia, but I'd like to.
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Of course, the context is the MLB pulling it's all star game from the state because of the voter restriction laws they enacted there. A few other companies HQed in Georgia also publicly opposed the law. That's when things went downhill, starting with calls by prominent GOP figures to call for boycotts and beyond. These companies are being warned of "consequences" for opposing the GOP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a65090-9622-11eb-962b-78c1d8228819_story.html

“From election law to environmentalism to radical social agendas to the Second Amendment, parts of the private sector keep dabbling in behaving like a woke parallel government,” McConnell said in his statement. “Corporations will invite serious consequences if they become a vehicle for far-left mobs to hijack our country from outside the constitutional order.”
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Others

Rep. Earl L. “Buddy” Carter (R-Ga.) slammed the decision, saying “America’s pastime has now become a political tool for the liberal mob” and called on his constituents to “fight back with their pocketbooks.” He is exploring ways for Congress “to ensure the MLB makes up the devastating financial losses to local communities in Georgia,” according to his office.
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And everyone's favorite mouthpiece lays the blame at cancel culture

“For years the Radical Left Democrats have played dirty by boycotting products when anything from that company is done or stated in any way that offends them. Now they are going big time with WOKE CANCEL CULTURE and our sacred elections. It is finally time for Republicans and Conservatives to fight back,” Trump said on Saturday. “Don’t go back to their products until they relent. We can play the game better than them.”
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And some legislative, and some more petty, actions:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/politics/georgia-voting-law-house-delta-tax-breaks/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/546291-gop-senators-push-to-end-mlb-antitrust-status
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-go...roducts-office-amid-election-law-spat-1580950
 
In Arkansas, the governor has taken heat for vetoing a bill that prohibits transgender care for young people. He says that it is "government overreach." Which it is, among it's other flaws.

Republican legislators are whining that he caved in to the woke-crowd and is a coward.
 
Mumbles said:
But adding "culture" to what moves it away from any individual boycott, and into the horrifying idea that there's some unspecified, but clearly *implied* mob that just goes around seeking revenge for petty offenses, something like a volcano god or dragon that can only be appeased through sacrifices or slaughtered - an ascribing of ill will to what are, rally, events that are effectively unrelated when you examine them.
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I wouldn't say they are unspecified; one could write an entire book carefully specifying the sort of behavior at issue here.
 
Of course...who could forget Melody Hensley. Cancelled for (IIRC) a misinterpretation of something she said about her PTSD on Twitter.
 
Stout said:
Of course...who could forget Melody Hensley. Cancelled for (IIRC) a misinterpretation of something she said about her PTSD on Twitter.
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I could. In fact I have. Completely. And you have done nothing to change that. Was that your point?
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm circling back to this. I was pondering last night why your response and your actions bothered me.
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Your assumptions are different from mine. I assumed that he found out through some official reporting of something that was being investigated by the police, not that he was hanging around outside the guys house watching their family interactions through binoculars.

But maybe we are both wrong.
 
Stout said:
Of course...who could forget Melody Hensley. Cancelled for (IIRC) a misinterpretation of something she said about her PTSD on Twitter.
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I'd count her as a perfect example of what happens when people pile-on heedless of whether they are adding anything new to the discussion. Even though what she said was thoughtless and potentially offensive, the blowback was insanely out of proportion.

(That said, Melody wasn't exactly above messing w/ other folks' employment.)
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dirtywick said:
Of course, the context is the MLB pulling it's all star game from the state because of the voter restriction laws they enacted there. A few other companies HQed in Georgia also publicly opposed the law. That's when things went downhill, starting with calls by prominent GOP figures to call for boycotts and beyond. These companies are being warned of "consequences" for opposing the GOP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a65090-9622-11eb-962b-78c1d8228819_story.html



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And everyone's favorite mouthpiece lays the blame at cancel culture



And some legislative, and some more petty, actions:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/01/politics/georgia-voting-law-house-delta-tax-breaks/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/546291-gop-senators-push-to-end-mlb-antitrust-status
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-go...roducts-office-amid-election-law-spat-1580950
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Thanks. I'll dig in on it.

As an aside, I'm feeling more and more sympathy for Guy Fawkes every year. I would be quite happy to fire ALL elected officials right now and start fresh.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Your assumptions are different from mine. I assumed that he found out through some official reporting of something that was being investigated by the police, not that he was hanging around outside the guys house watching their family interactions through binoculars.

But maybe we are both wrong.
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Hmm. Fair point. I suppose if he became aware of it through police actions already underway, I wouldn't have as much objection.

It still, for me, boils down to the perspective of "I don't want my brand tarnished by association with that seller" as opposed to "I want to help that abused spouse". But I'm perfectly happy to get further elaboration on the topic.
 
Relevant to this topic overall...

On the Miserable Necessity of Doing Censorship Stories in Pairs by Matt Taibbi

(This is one of his free for all readers articles)

From now on, “Meet the Censored” articles will be released in pairs. The speech debate has become so partisan that people now often cheer news that this or that person has been kicked off the Internet — this is an increasingly common reaction. When I profiled World Socialist Web Site writer Andre Damon, conservatives complained that his site wasn’t representative of the censorship problem, and I was showing bias. When I profiled Irreversible Damage author Abigail Shrier, leftists argued I was carrying water for the intolerant right.

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Polls showed 40% of millennials believed the government should be allowed to limit speech offensive to minorities, a number significantly higher than the one for either Baby Boomers (23%) or GenXers (27%). If those levels of support among younger voters existed for outright government censorship, how would that audience ever be convinced to care about private companies zapping political accounts?

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One of the fundamental (and clearly intentional) elements of the crackdowns of the last few years has been the systematic de-ranking or removal of smaller, independent news sites. The pulling of raw footage and livestreams by outlets like Jordan Chariton’s Status Coup or Ford Fischer’s News2Share seems to indicate that platforms like YouTube and Facebook want to limit the power to use certain images or content to larger, corporate outlets like CNN, CBS, or the New York Times.

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The reason going after independents matters so much is that “credentialed” media, when they screw up, tend to do so en masse. If you try to launder all content through a handful of big corporate players like CNN, MSNBC, and the Times, you’re virtually guaranteeing that the next WMD or Gulf of Tonkin or Russiagate reporting fiasco will go undetected for longer. The same reasoning applies to algorithmic changes that sharply reduced traffic at alternative sites like Antiwar.com or The World Socialist Web Site: putting a thumb on the scale to drive readers into more “mainstream” baskets just makes bigger outlets worse and less accountable.

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The phenomenon we’re living through isn’t about partisan politics. The central problem is the speech landscape has been almost fully privatized, with the overwhelming majority of people getting information via a handful of key companies: Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon. That bottleneck makes it possible to control information in amazing new ways, especially since the companies have shown, from the zapping of Infowars to the paper-training of Parler, that they’re willing and able to work in concert, against any set of actors they deem unsuitable.
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I've selected some of the bits I find most interesting, but the whole thing is worth the 5-minute read.

I think that Taibii has a very good perspective on both censorship as well as on the power of new media - for both good and ill. He gets particularly interesting to me when he discussing the intersection of those two actors: the monopoly control of conflicting perspectives, and the propagandization of news.
 
d4m10n said:
I'd count her as a perfect example of what happens when people pile-on heedless of whether they are adding anything new to the discussion. Even though what she said was thoughtless and potentially offensive, the blowback was insanely out of proportion.

(That said, Melody wasn't exactly above messing w/ other folks' employment.)
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That's the one I was thinking of, the middle tweet. I watched that happen in real time and it was happening faster than I could read it with all sorts of weird accusations flying around including accusations that she was denying that military members suffered from PTSD.

Oh well, live by the sword, die by the sword. She is in Valhalla now.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Relevant to this topic overall...

On the Miserable Necessity of Doing Censorship Stories in Pairs by Matt Taibbi

(This is one of his free for all readers articles)



I've selected some of the bits I find most interesting, but the whole thing is worth the 5-minute read.

I think that Taibii has a very good perspective on both censorship as well as on the power of new media - for both good and ill. He gets particularly interesting to me when he discussing the intersection of those two actors: the monopoly control of conflicting perspectives, and the propagandization of news.
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I agree that a handful of tech companies controlling too much of the information flow is bad. Propagandization of news, and the increasing polarization of news, is also a major problem.

The biggest problem though, is how to reconcile all of those things at once. Obviously ensuring news sources are factual, or at least transparent about not being factual, and that foreign and domestic sources aren't abusing social media to that end, but then also thinking that neither tech companies or the government should be moderating any of it, doesn't leave you with a lot of solutions.

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I also think there's an interesting tie in to cancel culture here also. These big tech companies have too much control, but being removed from their platform is quickly becoming one of the worst things that can happen to a person. If it's that critical to some people, may removing it from our lives isn't so bad.
 
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I don't get it. There WAS a competing social media to twitter. Yeah, they screwed up by failing to adhere to the terms of their agreement with their platform, but why should that be a problem for anyone? They didn't fail because of Twitter.

And there are many social networking platforms. You have twitter, facebook, instagram, tik-tok, for starters. Which one has the monopoly?
 
Manger Douse said:
No need to repeat as it seems very clear: A sexual predator, busy with grooming kids wouldn't have enough time to create these false flag posts despite them having admin powers at Reddit. That they've previously been rewarded for false claims of transphobia with literally the keys to the crèche is totally irrelevant to their motivations today.

Forgive me but that sounds like:

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:rolleyes:

Manger Douse said:
TQ



Creating fake shouts of "transphobia" to make it easier for you to **** kids doesn't seem all that unlikely to me - your milage may vary
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:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Manger Douse said:
But I didn't advise you to write to the director - I just agreed with you that since Reddit is a private company they're free to hire sex cases to moderate the children's subs. I honestly don't see what your problem with me is
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Manger Douse said:
I've done no such thing, all I've done is agree with you that Reddit are free to hire sex cases to moderate children's subs if they wish as they are a private company
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Sweet jeebus, the Trumpist denialism is back.....
 
dirtywick said:
I don't even know what's going on but there's plenty of deranged behavior on reddit
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And some is being dragged here.

wareyin said:
You might want to actually read your link. Or is the BBC (as discussed in the criticism of the concept section) an individual now?

Or from the "American Public Opinion" section: ...cancel culture, defined as "the practice of withdrawing support for (or canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive,"
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Now that's just crazy talk.
 
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