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The Biden Presidency

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That's it Democrats. Eat each other alive. Make sure you get nothing done so at the midterm the Republicans go "Those Democrats aren't getting anything done!"
 
Belz... said:
The problem is that, regardless, he's still an idiot, which makes all of this pointless. I know he can read, and his many idiocies have little to do with reading.
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There is no problem. And, yes, he's still an 'idiot' in the sense that he's a fool but 'stupid' he is not. Which was the entire point of this exchange and so not pointless. Yes, he can technically 'read' but there is excellent evidence that he does not process and retain what he reads very well.

Would admitting Trump most likely has learning disabilities also mean it would have to diminish our scorn for him? If so, rest assured it does not. As a former teacher, understanding how it has affected his life does not make me despise him any less; just understand him more.
 
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Stacyhs said:
There is no problem. And, yes, he's still an 'idiot' in the sense that he's a fool but 'stupid' he is not.
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No, I meant idiot in the sense that he's stupid, on top of any other pointless thing you can mention about him.

I'm not denying that he _may_ have a reading disability, though I'm not sure about that. I'm saying that in addition to that, in any case, he's still stupid.
 
Belz... said:
No, I meant idiot in the sense that he's stupid, on top of any other pointless thing you can mention about him.

I'm not denying that he _may_ have a reading disability, though I'm not sure about that. I'm saying that in addition to that, in any case, he's still stupid.
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Well, for someone who's 'stupid' he's certainly been smart enough to tap into what 74 million people in this country wanted so badly he's taken on cult status. Name another Republican leader who has been 'stupid' enough to do that.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Infrastructure Bill might not go through.

In a radio interview with @HoppyKercheval, Sen. Manchin signals there are circumstances under which he won't vote to get onto the infrastructure bill.
"As the bill exists today, it needs to be changed,"

Manchin says more revenue needs to be collected from high income earners, but he says the corporate tax rate should be at 25%.

He says he would not support raising the corp tax to 28%.

"If I don't vote to get on it, it's not going anywhere," Manchin tells

“It’s more than just me, Hoppy," Manchin said. "There’s six or seven other Democrats who feel very strongly about this. We have to be competitive, and we’re not going to throw caution to the wind.”
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Give him what he wants, it'll save the bill altogether.
 
Stacyhs said:
Well, for someone who's 'stupid' he's certainly been smart enough to tap into what 74 million people in this country wanted so badly he's taken on cult status. Name another Republican leader who has been 'stupid' enough to do that.
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Does it really take all that much brains to pander to the lowest common denominator? Didn't Trump himself admit that his most famous lines like "Lock her up!" and "Mexico will pay for it!" were just random lines he was spewing, that got the most cheers, so he decided to keep repeating them?
 
Stacyhs said:
Well, for someone who's 'stupid' he's certainly been smart enough to tap into what 74 million people in this country wanted so badly he's taken on cult status. Name another Republican leader who has been 'stupid' enough to do that.
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You are under the mistaken assumption that stupid people can't con people who are stupider than they are.
 
Stacyhs said:
Well, for someone who's 'stupid' he's certainly been smart enough to tap into what 74 million people in this country wanted so badly he's taken on cult status. Name another Republican leader who has been 'stupid' enough to do that.
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Point taken, but others have done very well, and it may be that luck and circumstance, along with bigger ego, make more difference than intelligence. Traditionally conservatives don't like what they see as "eggheads," and prefer easy lies to hard truths, and T**** does even George Bush one better in that department. It is not entirely to his credit that he was such a good fit, and I am still not convinced that being there at the right time trumps intelligence.
 
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So he's the President now?
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Exaggerate much? He's got more than the usual clout a senator has due to the very unusual balance of power that now exists in the Senate but that doesn't give him power any where equivalent to the president. Plus, as Dread Pirate Roberts mentioned, not one single bill of any consequence proposed by any administration has sailed through passage without modification.
 
Maybe somewhat off topic: There was an editorial in the Washington Post today about why the GOP has criticized Fauci so much. It is not, in my view, a particularly good opinion piece so I won't bother to link it but the very last paragraph was so good I'd like to cite it here:

Fauci is practicing epidemiology. His critics are practicing idiocy. Both are very good at their chosen work.
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:) :) :)
 
SezMe said:
Exaggerate much? He's got more than the usual clout a senator has due to the very unusual balance of power that now exists in the Senate but that doesn't give him power any where equivalent to the president. Plus, as Dread Pirate Roberts mentioned, not one single bill of any consequence proposed by any administration has sailed through passage without modification.
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And,we need bigger margins in 2022 in both Houses. This is a must!!!

Especially in the Senate because we can't afford to have McConnell back in power. He's been on his high ******* horse much too long. Let that man stew some more, he's not done cooking.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And,we need bigger margins in 2022 in both Houses. This is a must!!!

Especially in the Senate because we can't afford to have McConnell back in power. He's been on his high ******* horse much too long. Let that man stew some more, he's not done cooking.
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This is why I believe it is imperative to make DC and PR States and do Congressional reapportionment legislation. Eliminate Gerrymandering. Do these things and America becomes a democracy again.
 
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Horatius said:
Does it really take all that much brains to pander to the lowest common denominator? Didn't Trump himself admit that his most famous lines like "Lock her up!" and "Mexico will pay for it!" were just random lines he was spewing, that got the most cheers, so he decided to keep repeating them?
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Belz... said:
You are under the mistaken assumption that stupid people can't con people who are stupider than they are.
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bruto said:
Point taken, but others have done very well, and it may be that luck and circumstance, along with bigger ego, make more difference than intelligence. Traditionally conservatives don't like what they see as "eggheads," and prefer easy lies to hard truths, and T**** does even George Bush one better in that department. It is not entirely to his credit that he was such a good fit, and I am still not convinced that being there at the right time trumps intelligence.
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You seem to be married to the idea that Trump can't walk and chew gum at the same time rather than admit that a lot of his 'stupid' moments could be due to causes other than being a brain dead moron. An idiot may be lucky in getting a few even more stupid people to follow him for a short time, but an 'idiot' cannot get ten million more people to vote for him four years later and continue to follow him with a cult like adoration on sheer luck and a "good fit". An 'idiot' cannot get a mob to attack the Congress of the US and convince almost an entire party that an election was stolen. The man is a great con artist. One of the best. He knows how to play people. He knows exactly how and what buttons to push. That an 'idiot' cannot do.

It seems to me that this resistance to the idea that Trump likely has learning disabilities is rooted in the fear that, if true, it means he can't be blamed for being such an *******. He can.
 
Stacyhs said:
You seem to be married to the idea that Trump can't walk and chew gum at the same time rather than admit that a lot of his 'stupid' moments could be due to causes other than being a brain dead moron.
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How about we've seen the evidence and decided that he's not a smart man, by any measure?

He's bad at everything; he fails at everything except conning idiots. He's consistently lost money all his life. He says stupid things all the time. He can't even come up with smart lies.

An 'idiot' cannot get a mob to attack the Congress of the US and convince almost an entire party that an election was stolen.
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Sure he can. Idiots manage that sort of stuff all the time. What are you talking about? You seem to think that idiots can't do anything.

It seems to me that this resistance to the idea that Trump likely has learning disabilities is rooted in the fear that, if true, it means he can't be blamed for being such an *******.
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Please refrain from trying to determine what our hidden motives are. They don't exist.

By the same token, what's your excuse for denying his stupidity?
 
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I suppose it all comes down to how where you place the boundaries of stupidity.

A person drives a car with great skill and precision. Is he smart or stupid? I would contend that if he drives it the wrong way down the interstate, he's stupid no matter how well he shifts the gears.

e.t.a. or this, perhaps: A demagogue leads stupid people with a pack of lies. If he does not believe the lies, then perhaps he's just a bastard but not stupid. I would contend that if he does, then he's a stupid bastard.
 
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You seem to be married to the idea that Trump can't walk and chew gum at the same time rather than admit that a lot of his 'stupid' moments could be due to causes other than being a brain dead moron.
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Belz... said:
How about we've seen the evidence and decided that he's not a smart man, by any measure?

He's bad at everything; he fails at everything except conning idiots. He's consistently lost money all his life. He says stupid things all the time. He can't even come up with smart lies.
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But no one's claimed he's a "smart man". You keep claiming he's an "idiot". And he hasn't "failed at everything" as you claimed. Sure, he lost his casinos, and many of his other enterprises and he's in debt for some of his other buildings, but some of his projects have been successful. For example, some of his golf resorts and he built a very successful brand name. Michael D'Antonio, (Trump's biographer) said “Donald is brilliant about turning himself into a walking brand, and he seized that opportunity pretty early.” No, Trump is not business genius, but he is no idiot, either. His gift lies in other areas an as said earlier.

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An 'idiot' cannot get a mob to attack the Congress of the US and convince almost an entire party that an election was stolen.
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Sure he can. Idiots manage that sort of stuff all the time. What are you talking about? You seem to think that idiots can't do anything.
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Really? Name another 'idiot' who has managed that. Conflating idiots "can't do anything" with what I actually said is quite remarkable.
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It seems to me that this resistance to the idea that Trump likely has learning disabilities is rooted in the fear that, if true, it means he can't be blamed for being such an *******.
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Please refrain from trying to determine what our hidden motives are. They don't exist.
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I don't think they are quite so hidden. They seem rather obvious to me. Why else argue so vociferously against something so benign as Trump likely having reading learning disabilities and instead insisting he's just plain stupid? You have absolutely no evidence that he doesn't have learning disabilities. On the other hand, several experts have been previously cited who have expressed the opinion that he does, indeed, have undiagnosed learning disabilities, including his own niece. But you just hand wave that all away because you would rather just believe he's 'stupid'.

By the same token, what's your excuse for denying his stupidity?
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I don't need an excuse as the evidence supports my opinion. I detest the man more than I can say but I don't need to believe he's 'stupid' to support my opinion of him. I've taught students with learning disabilities like dyslexia, processing problems, and ADD/HD. My husband and daughter both have ADHD. I know the signs and symptoms. I know the struggles. As does Dr. John Kruse, a psychiatrist who also believes that Trump has adult ADHD: Recognizing Adult ADHD: What Donald Trump Can Teach Us About Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
https://www.amazon.com/Recognizing-Adult-ADHD-Attention-Hyperactivity-ebook/dp/B07VYJC729

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/09/17/why-trump-cant-learn-educated-guess-veteran-teacher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybp1alenryo

https://www.divergents-magazine.org...ur-nation-s-consequences?c=divergent-politics
 
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