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Is Menard a Russian Agent?

arayder said:
Here in the states we've have well documented cases of Russian trolls filling up alt.right websites and Facebook pages with misinformation:
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caveman1917 said:
Really? Feel free to provide that documentation.
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No problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/politics/us-election-intel-report/index.html

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/16/9779...t-russia-tried-to-help-trump-in-2020-election

But my real point is that the enemies of democracy love it when self-promoting losers like Menard try to convince people that their democratic governments aren't real, that their country's laws aren't enforceable, and that they can create their own money.

My contention is that Menard is a sort of useful idiot for the Russians as opposed an actual agent.

Menard and few other wannabe freeman gurus have teamed up with the incredibly gullible Beth Martens. Giving Bobby just PR boost his little narcissistic heart needs she has interviewed him twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0DBPevQ5Q&t=2987s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ZpINjWaMc

She's recently picked up on a guy named Tom Barnett, who sounds like an Australian Mini-Menard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbPLRjvQ9bk&t=4122s
 
theprestige said:
Beth Martens isn't a Russian Troll, though?
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Highly unlikely.

To me she seems to be a highly impressionable new ager who hasn't taken the time or put in the effort needed to see through Bobby's con.

He's playing her good by telling her he's the way to freedom. But that's what Bobby does.
 
arayder said:
Highly unlikely.

To me she seems to be a highly impressionable new ager who hasn't taken the time or put in the effort needed to see through Bobby's con.

He's playing her good by telling her he's the way to freedom. But that's what Bobby does.
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I'm struggling to figure out what this has to do with the topic of the thread. Did the Russian Trolls get to Beth Martens? Is she being funded by Russian operatives? Is her promotion of Menard part of a Russian conspiracy?

Enquiring minds want to know.
 
theprestige said:
I'm struggling to figure out what this has to do with the topic of the thread. Did the Russian Trolls get to Beth Martens? Is she being funded by Russian operatives? Is her promotion of Menard part of a Russian conspiracy?

Enquiring minds want to know.
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It was an "aside".

I am happy to see that you are getting in your daily quota of pestering today.
 
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arayder said:
No problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/politics/us-election-intel-report/index.html
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I'm sorry, you claimed that there was documentation and were asked for it, this source contains no such documentation, just a bunch of claims. I haven't checked the other sources since the first one didn't contain the claimed documentation.

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "documentation"? For example, we do have documentation of an American troll farm on Wikipedia making claims of a purported "Russian troll farm" existing on Wikipedia. Note how my links provide actual documentation, such as the actual leaked emails where the actions were discussed and which can be cross-referenced with Wikipedia's public edit history etc, instead of just claims.

Now, for the second time, provide the documentation you contend exists for your claims and don't waste my time again.
 
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caveman1917 said:
I'm sorry, you claimed that there was documentation and were asked for it, this source contains no such documentation, just a bunch of claims. I haven't checked the other sources since the first one didn't contain the claimed documentation.

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "documentation"? For example, we do have documentation of an American troll farm on Wikipedia making claims of a purported "Russian troll farm" existing on Wikipedia. Note how my links provide actual documentation, such as the actual leaked emails where the actions were discussed and which can be cross-referenced with Wikipedia's public edit history etc, instead of just claims.

Now, for the second time, provide the documentation you contend exists for your claims and don't waste my time again.
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Your denial of reality is not my problem.
 
arayder said:
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You've specifically chosen this venue to promote your CT and explicitly claimed that it was documented. When asked for this documentation you failed to provide any. When this was pointed out you just started ranting about people's "denial of reality" for demanding documentation for your CT.

Sorry, your CT is rejected for lacking evidence, whine and/or rant about it all you want.
 
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arayder said:
Yeah, I have a problem with con men like Menard who cheat others for profit.
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If that were true, you'd be starting threads about con men like Menard. Everything from Nestlé to Nigerian Princes. MLMs. Stock market shills. Elon Musk. Hell, Menard probably isn't even the biggest con man in Canadia. But he's the only con man you ever talk about. It's pretty clear that it's not "con men like Menard" you have a problem with, it's Menard specifically and uniquely.
 
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If you read through the links you can see where the articles specifically talk about the Russians filling up American social media with misinformation.

That's what you asked about.

If you want to pretend you asked about something else I guess I can't stop you. But here is the original a statement and question:

arayder Here in the states we've have well documented cases of Russian trolls filling up alt.right websites and Facebook pages with misinformation
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caveman1917 Really? Feel free to provide that documentation.
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arayder said:
Yeah, I have a problem with con men like Menard who cheat others for profit.
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theprestige said:
If that were true, you'd be starting threads about con men like Menard. Everything from Nestlé to Nigerian Princes. MLMs. Stock market shills. Elon Musk. Hell, Menard probably isn't even the biggest con man in Canadia. But he's the only con man you ever talk about. It's pretty clear that it's not "con men like Menard" you have a problem with, it's Menard specifically and uniquely.
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What a thinly veiled debate trick. I don't have to excoriate every con man on the planet to make my criticism of Menard valid.

And for the record I use other places on the web to get after Gavin Seim, Christopher Bruce, Tommy Barnett and Karl Koenigs to name a few.

I always go by arayder.

I accept your apologies in advance.
 
arayder said:
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If you read through the links you can see where the articles specifically talk about the Russians filling up American social media with misinformation.

That's what you asked about.
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No, I asked you for documentation, which is what you claimed to have. I did not ask you for "articles talking about" your CT.

If you want to pretend you asked about something else I guess I can't stop you. But here is the original a statement and question:
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Yes exactly, note how it says "documentation" and not "articles talking about it." Would you say that the claim that Menard is a Russian agent is well documented merely because you talked about it in your OP? Can you explain, in your own words, the difference between "evidence" and "claim"?
 
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Please keep to the topic, keep it civil, and stop the bickering.


Thank you.
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arayder said:
Cavey, the "articles" make clear references to an official report by the U.S. National Intelligence Council.

The article again:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/16/9779...t-russia-tried-to-help-trump-in-2020-election

And in the very first sentence of the article is a link to that authoritative document:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documentto...rference-assessment/abd0346ebdd93e1e/full.pdf

How did you miss this, Cavey?
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So no documentation it is then, only claims. Your CT remains rejected for lack of evidence. I'll repeat my earlier question:
caveman1917 said:
Can you explain, in your own words, the difference between "evidence" and "claim"?
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