The Biden Presidency

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cullennz said:
As a total outsider who doesn't care who the US prez is, I would just point out from what I have seen, if that were Trump, The Trump haters on here would have been all over it like a rash.
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Maybe yes, and maybe no.

On the other hand, it he were to walk up the stairs of AF1 with a bit of toilet paper stuck to his shoe........
 
smartcooky said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0139UytcR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBPmaf7ffg8

With regards to the first video, have a look at the moment Biden's hands come down to the microphones.... his hands go between the microphones and the camera 0:07 and 0:09. His hands and body are in focus while the microphones are out of focus. That is impossible without a chroma-key setup - the lens has not yet been invented that can do this.

This video is an obvious green-screen effort, and a very amateurish one at that.
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I will take this opportunity to walk back this claim.

I had a discussion with a friend who is a sound engineer for a TV company - a discussion that involved "dead cats", "furry windscreens" and "shotgun mics". The upshot of these discussions is that I am satisfied that the microphones are not out of focus, so the basis for my claim was incorrect.

Just goes to show that you can have plenty of expertise in a field (one of mine is video) and still be wrong about some aspect.
 
The question is moot, as there's no way Trump would (or could) have taken those stairs as fast as Biden did. I'm ten years younger than Biden and in generally good health, but even I would have climbed them much more slowly. I suspect he was trying to demonstrate just how fit he is, and overreached himself.
 
Not to derail too much, but...

In the U.S., one qualifies for Medicare at age 65. There’s a “Medicare Wellness Test” that doctors are encouraged to give their patients, though it seems not all do. It includes a cognitive test like Trump bragged about, where you draw a clock, have your memory tested, object recognition, etc.

It also includes other questions, asking about abuse and, relevant here, falls in the last year. At age 71 I’m at zero so far this year. But often there are one or two. Stepping off a ladder awkwardly. Tripping over a dog leash. Slipping on snow or ice. Missing a curb. That sort of thing. And, yes, stumbling on steps.

There’s no doubt there’s a general decline in balance, coordination, reflexes and strength with age. It probably starts much earlier, but for me it became undeniable after age 60 or so. I still fly, ride motorcycles and bicycles and am generally active, but I have to be more careful doing what used to be simpler tasks.

All of which is to say, Joe Biden stumbling on the steps is hardly unusual for a man his age. It happens.
 
cullennz said:
As a total outsider who doesn't care who the US prez is, I would just point out from what I have seen, if that were Trump, The Trump haters on here would have been all over it like a rash.
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That's because his incredibly low self-esteem would cause him to rant for a half hour about how he was fine, and a general must have greased the staircase up, and big tough men would cry when he shook their hand and say "That's the strongest hand I've ever shaken sir." and blah blah freaking blah. And then he'd bring it up again and again over the next few months.

Biden? Doubt he'd do much more than say he's fine if they ask him. Obama would joke about how he stepped on Michelle's toes when dancing or ice patches in Chicago, and then weave it into something serious, or just move on. Even GWB would likely joke about it.
 
Look, just because Trump once painfully explained how hard a ramp was to walk down for 20 minutes at one of his rallies doesn’t mean......


Oh, never mind.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
And to be fair, if there was identical video of Trump doing the same, I'm pretty sure many here would have shown no mercy, either.
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There is a difference. The difference is that Trump attacked his opponent as being physically unfit. And the really big difference is that Trump declared himself as the most physically fit President of all time and had a doctor actually certify that "his physical strength and stamina are extraordinary” and that he would be "the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency".

Biden did say that. Or any other President.

If you say that, people are going to call you out on it when there is evidence that is is not true.

The press and the people will and should show no mercy in calling out failures of ridiculous braggadocio.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
There is a difference. The difference is that Trump attacked his opponent as being physically unfit. And the really big difference is that Trump declared himself as the most physically fit President of all time and had a doctor actually certify that "his physical strength and stamina are extraordinary” and that he would be "the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency".

Biden did say that. Or any other President.

If you say that, people are going to call you out on it when there is evidence that is is not true.

The press and the people will and should show no mercy in calling out failures of ridiculous braggadocio.
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"Look at how [Trump] steps and look at how I step. Watch how I run up ramps and how he stumbles down ramps, okay?"

Biden went [on] to say that it's a "legitimate question" to ask both candidates about their health

"I'm a great respecter of fate, I realize anything can happen to anybody at any age, any time. But I promise you I would not be running unless I was in very good health."
https://www.twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/status/1303099792982183939
 
Fast Eddie B said:
There's fresh video of Biden stumbling twice, and then falling on his way up the steps to Air Force One. Not a big deal, and possibly due to his recently sprained ankle.

Only worth mentioning because the right is almost certain to jump all over this as signs of Biden's physical decline. And to be fair, if there was identical video of Trump doing the same, I'm pretty sure many here would have shown no mercy, either.
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ETA: Didn't notice someone else had already posted this.
 
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Scopedog said:
"Look at how [Trump] steps and look at how I step. Watch how I run up ramps and how he stumbles down ramps, okay?"
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That's Biden responding to a question about Trump saying that he has lost a step or two. Trump brought that on himself. My whole point is that Trump is target for his physical failures where other Presidents and candidates are not because he brought it on himself.
 
Scopedog said:
"Look at how [Trump] steps and look at how I step. Watch how I run up ramps and how he stumbles down ramps, okay?"

Biden went [on] to say that it's a "legitimate question" to ask both candidates about their health
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And it is - as it is of any presidential candidate.

But Toupee Fiasco declared that he raised his magic sword and yelled "By the Power of Greyskull" and became the most healthy man in the universe, and Biden showed showed a perfectly normal report from his physician that said "Yeah, he's healthy". The latter is reasonable, the former patently ridiculous and clearly influenced by the narcissistic pathological liar who is unable to take the slightest joke at his own expense without having a complete meltdown.
 
There’s one guy who was attacked on this forum from the get go, every peccadillo, stumble, stupid utterance, sniffle or faux pas blown up into a sign of mental decline and/or dangerous mental illness and there’s another guy who does similar stuff but is a Democrat/Not Trump.

It’s not the signs and symptoms of some supposed mental condition that’s the problem . It’s simply the fact that Donald Trump was a very bad person.

Biden has his issues, like we all do, but he’s a good guy at his core.
 
xjx388 said:
There’s one guy who was attacked on this forum from the get go, every peccadillo, stumble, stupid utterance, sniffle or faux pas blown up into a sign of mental decline and/or dangerous mental illness
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What's your definition of 'attacked'?

and there’s another guy who does similar stuff but is a Democrat/Not Trump.
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And the other guy has been 'attacked' from the get go by certain posters too.

From the Biden for President? thread:-
Distracted1 said:
There can be very little campaigning for Biden. He is fading, and needs to bee seen- not heard.
He needs a very dynamic V.P. (obviously a woman) to do the campaigning.

The campaign needs to consist almost entirely of Trump. Trump is going to have to beat Trump this time, as he would in any sane world.

And, finally, we need to have someone in place to instantly transition to when Biden drops, or becomes incapable of moving on.
Seriously, he seems like he is about five minutes from having out-loud conversations with his dead grandfather. I hope I am wrong, but I really do not trust his health.
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
Biden is a gaffe machine, that is for sure - and they seem to be coming much more frequently. I suspect most Democrats will overlook them (as they did with his remarks about Obama being the first mainstream black person who was clean, good looking and articulate). I usually find the gaffes amusing, but the current frequency is concerning.
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Childlike Empress said:
For those still in denial about Biden's brain turning into sauerkraut, Caitlin Johnstone has collected 30 recent examples of the kind of "gaffes" he makes. It's real, not some kind of smear. Observing it says nothing about the work he did as Obama's VP.
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Ziggurat said:
Sanders was curmudgeonly back when he was 30, but aside from more wrinkles and sags, he's basically the same. Biden is deteriorating before our eyes...

What Biden is displaying now on a regular basis is confusion. And no, he has not always been known for that. This is new.
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Delvo said:
Practically guaranteed failure; the only reason to nominate him is to deliberately throw it for the Republican...

A gaffe is supposed to be something uncommon that occasionally happens to somebody who usually does better in general. But for him, that kind of stuff is normal. What's rare for him is when he does manage to appear to have his act together for a while.
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Sideroxylon said:
America shouldn’t chose a president who is showing disturbing signs of mental decline...

“Joe Biden has always been demented.” Yeah, a great presidential candidate... Trump will destroy him.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
It's pretty funny how thin-skinned the Biden defenders are considering the volume of criticism that has been leveled at Bernie and his supporters. Even suggesting that Biden is sundowning on live TV and they screech about being a stooge for Trump or a bot from Russia.

The emperor has no clothes. 2020 Biden is not the same man from 2008 that ran circles around Palin in a VP debate or the man from 2012 that held his own against Paul Ryan.
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Perhaps these 'attacks' slipped your mind. But you do remember this, right?

xjx388 said:
You guys just better hope Dr Lee, et al, come out and clear Biden. Didn’t she say her new organization would be vetting candidates in the future? They seem pretty quiet so far.

OR: Maybe we can agree that speculation about mental illness in political candidates a professional has never met is, perhaps, medically inappropriate, unethical and prone to problems with bias?
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So now that posters finally appear to be agreeing with you, will you drop it?

Or...
xjx388 said:
Although, it does make me wonder what Dr. Lee et. al. have to say about the mental state of a candidate who directly threatens a voter . . .
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xjx388 said:
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It’s not the signs and symptoms of some supposed mental condition that’s the problem . It’s simply the fact that Donald Trump was a very bad person.
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Trying to drag your Trump isn't mentally ill argument over here since you lost that debate over in the Trump is mentally ill thread? :rolleyes:
 
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