Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[JesseCuster]

A lot of the 8 billion live people in he world are getting tired of the BS.

A lot of people believe a lot of things. So what?

 

[dann]

It was bad enough when Sweden adhered to the insane no-mask, no-asymptomatic-spread, herd-infection strategy.
Now Sweden also has its coronavirus-is-a-hoax demonstrations - today in Stockholm, Göteborg and Malmö:

Nu drabbas Sverige av konspirations-pandemin (Aftonbladet.se, March 5, 2021)
Now Sweden has been hit by the conspiracy pandemic

Flera coronademonstrationer väntas i landet idag – polisen redo (Aftonbladet.se, March 20, 2021)
Several corona demonstrations in the country are expected today – the police are ready

Nya coronaprotester väntas i dag (SVT.se, March 20, 2021)
New coronaprotests exptected today

Demonstrationer mot restriktioner i flera städer (Expressen.se, March 20, 2021)
Demonstrations against restrictions in several cities

Leman: ”De tror att hela pandemin är en bluff” (Expressen.se, March 20, 2021)
Leman: ”They think the whole pandemic is a hoax”

Liverapport Corona (Expressen.se, March 20, 2021)
Live report corona

 

[Foster Zygote]

A lot of the 8 billion live people in he world are getting tired of the BS.

A lot? Wow! That's exactly as many as the number of people Childlike Empress knows who have been sickened and killed by social distancing.

I'm guessing that "a lot", in the case of your post, is the number of narcissists who have been fortunate enough not to have been personally affected by any of the deaths or long-term illnesses, at least so far, and who are psychologically unable to feel compassion for those who have died and the loved ones who have suffered their loss.


Let's talk a bit about numbers. (I know, you and Caroline don't seem to like numbers, but they're important.) If the rest of the world had responded the way the U.S. has, and had the same percentage of fatalities, the global fatality rate would be over 14.3 million.


Now let's talk about some BS.

1. The claim that Anthony Fauci is a "Chicken Little" figure causing a global panic based on nothing is utter ********. He merely represents one U.S. infectious disease agency as an expert spokesman. The notion that he is the sole authority representing scientific findings, or that he is single-handedly dictating COVID-19 response on a global scale betrays simple-minded, provincial ignorance.

2. Your claim that Anthony Fauci is featured by the media on a global scale, supported by your failure to understand that the search engine hits generated for you as a resident of the U.S. are not universally representative of the search results of everyone else in the world, and your obviously fraudulent (read ********) claim to have witnessed Anthony Fauci featured prominently on news media "all over the world" within the last year.

 

[Tom Palven]

A lot? Wow! That's exactly as many as the number of people Childlike Empress knows who have been sickened and killed by social distancing.

I'm guessing that "a lot", in the case of your post, is the number of narcissists who have been fortunate enough not to have been personally affected by any of the deaths or long-term illnesses, at least so far, and who are psychologically unable to feel compassion for those who have died and the loved ones who have suffered their loss.


Let's talk a bit about numbers. (I know, you and Caroline don't seem to like numbers, but they're important.) If the rest of the world had responded the way the U.S. has, and had the same percentage of fatalities, the global fatality rate would be over 14.3 million.


Now let's talk about some BS.

1. The claim that Anthony Fauci is a "Chicken Little" figure causing a global panic based on nothing is utter ********. He merely represents one U.S. infectious disease agency as an expert spokesman. The notion that he is the sole authority representing scientific findings, or that he is single-handedly dictating COVID-19 response on a global scale betrays simple-minded, provincial ignorance.

2. Your claim that Anthony Fauci is featured by the media on a global scale, supported by your failure to understand that the search engine hits generated for you as a resident of the U.S. are not universally representative of the search results of everyone else in the world, and your obviously fraudulent (read ********) claim to have witnessed Anthony Fauci featured prominently on news media "all over the world" within the last year.

Yes, I believe that stuff, and have expounded on it, but I must be getting curmudgeonly in my old age, because now I just want to pop in once in a while and lob a stink bomb.

Btw, your claim that I said I saw Fauci on TV all over the world is simply a blatant distorition of what I said. In other words, a lie,

 

[Foster Zygote]

Yes, I believe that stuff, and have expounded on it, but I must be getting curmudgeonly in my old age, because now I just want to pop in once in a while and lob a stink bomb.

Well, your **** certainly does stink. I'm sure the facts that your arguments have been demonstrated to be illogical and baseless, your sources have been shown to be superstitious crackpots and/or discredited bigots, and your own anecdotes exposed as fraudulent while you resort to bigoted attempts at personal insult, has nothing to do with the decrease in your posting frequency.


So you believe that Anthony Fauci is the sinister leader of a world-wide conspiracy to pass off a common seasonal virus as a pandemic that has killed 2.7 million people, despite having no supporting evidence, and in the face of contradictory evidence. That sounds remarkably like the way Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead.

One thing I definitely don't believe is that you've seen Anthony Fauci featured prominently on news media all over the world. You're as much a liar as Childlike Empress. That's how desperate you are to avoid admitting error - you'll lie, and double down on hypotheses that even you realize are stupid after having their flaws pointed out to you.

And keep in mind, in your curmudgeonly old age, that you are firmly in a demographic that is at significantly higher risk to COVID-19. If you get your wish and everyone just pretends it doesn't exist, you might not have to be further inconvenienced by concern for other's safety anyway.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Btw, your claim that I said I saw Fauci on TV all over the world is simply a blatant distorition of what I said. In other words, a lie,

Already addressed eight pages ago.

1. You defended your assertion that Anthony Fauci had enormous global influence by calling him "the most photographed and quoted person on the International Web".

2. I pointed out that that isn't how the internet works - that people in different regions see search results based on their locations.

3. You then said, in direct response to that, "At the very least, I've watched CNN on TVs all over the world".

You were clearly defending your claim that Anthony Fauci has considerable global influence by implying that you had personally witnessed it. But you didn't think about the fact that this would mean that you had travelled "all over the world" during the last year.

Calling me a liar in return is simply an act of psychological projection. You got caught because you didn't think it through.

 

[dann]

Now let's talk about some BS.

1. The claim that Anthony Fauci is a "Chicken Little" figure causing a global panic based on nothing is utter ********. He merely represents one U.S. infectious disease agency as an expert spokesman. The notion that he is the sole authority representing scientific findings, or that he is single-handedly dictating COVID-19 response on a global scale betrays simple-minded, provincial ignorance.

He is obviously not the only one, but the covidiots don't understand why it has to him of all people when there are so many other alleged experts to choose from - Scott Atlas or Demon Sperm Lady, for instance.

2. Your claim that Anthony Fauci is featured by the media on a global scale, supported by your failure to understand that the search engine hits generated for you as a resident of the U.S. are not universally representative of the search results of everyone else in the world, and your obviously fraudulent (read ********) claim to have witnessed Anthony Fauci featured prominently on news media "all over the world" within the last year.

Fauci is actually featured by the media on a global scale as the leading U.S. expert on a world-wide disease. It's what he is, so why not?!
DK: https://medwatch.dk/samfund/article12498938.ece
DK: https://www.berlingske.dk/usa/fauci-praesident-trump-kan-sagtens-faa-et-tilbagefald
SE: https://www.di.se/live/fauci-oundvikligt-med-andra-coronavag-i-usa-till-hosten/
FI: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11680686
DE: https://www.dw.com/de/fauci-will-kein-europäisches-schicksal-für-die-usa/a-56870582
DE: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/coronavirus-fauci-normalitaet-100.html
FR: https://www.france24.com/fr/amériqu...gé-de-ne-plus-avoir-à-contredire-donald-trump
PE: https://gestion.pe/mundo/eeuu/fauci...cerque-a-500000-muertes-por-covid-19-noticia/

 

[dann]

You were clearly defending your claim that Anthony Fauci has considerable global influence by implying that you had personally witnessed it. But you didn't think about the fact that this would mean that you had travelled "all over the world" during the last year.

That's a losing game. Fauci does actually have considerable global influence. He is a sensible guy, he knows his stuff, so people all over the world listen to him and news-media people quote him.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Let's talk a bit about numbers. (I know, you and Caroline don't seem to like numbers, but they're important.) If the rest of the world had responded the way the U.S. has, and had the same percentage of fatalities, the global fatality rate would be over 14.3 million.

Oh, but what if the survivors were wealthier as a result and therefore ipso facto happier? [/sarcasm]

If you take it as axiomatic that having the economy generate wealth is the sole measure of happiness*, then maybe you believe there would have been some ideal, utilitarian middle path where we let more people suffer and die or become victims of "long Covid" disabilities and maximise the amount of wealth generated in the last year.

After all, when the black death wiped out maybe a third of the population of some European countries it was followed by a boom time for the peasants who survived as their labour was in short supply and high demand.

The slight fly in this cynical ointment is that we didn't have a choice of treading such a middle path because we didn't have anything like that kind of control. Our choices were to try to stamp it out or give in and let it rip, overwhelm our hospitals and thereby multiply the victims by including those for whom life-saving treatment was thus unavailable.

As I recall reading, the nations which did the best job of stamping on the first wave were also those whose economies bounced back most strongly as it passed. So it might be worth those who imagine they are the champions of harsh economic realities to consider if they are indeed realities.

*I don't know if this is Tom's view but I have an inking it's not a million miles away.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

That's a losing game. Fauci does actually have considerable global influence. He is a sensible guy, he knows his stuff, so people all over the world listen to him and news-media people quote him.

Fauci used to appear on the news here when the story was "Medical science spokesman says X, Trump does Y". That show is over now.

 

[Foster Zygote]

That's a losing game. Fauci does actually have considerable global influence. He is a sensible guy, he knows his stuff, so people all over the world listen to him and news-media people quote him.

I've already mentioned that as a leading expert in epidemiology, it makes sense that he and other U.S. experts would be exchanging data and experience with other experts around the globe. And global news coverage in other countries will certainly feature what's going on in the U.S. from time to time. And I still think that a sizable portion of the media attention given the Dr. Fauci is the result of him having been so publicly opposed by an attention-whore moron who was badly botching the U.S. response.

But the idea that Fauci is directing the global response to COVID-19, and that he doesn't represent the consensus of the world's scientific community, is just plain silly.

 

[bruto]

Yes, I believe that stuff, and have expounded on it, but I must be getting curmudgeonly in my old age, because now I just want to pop in once in a while and lob a stink bomb.

Btw, your claim that I said I saw Fauci on TV all over the world is simply a blatant distorition of what I said. In other words, a lie,

As others have pointed out, when you expound but do not convince, lobbing stink bombs is a pretty poor way to proceed. Even if it's not technically trolling, its bad form and despite your contention of old age, some might consider it a sign of immature petulance.

I am quite willing to believe you did not see Fauci on TV all over the world, because your assertion that Fauci is influential all over the world does not rest on evidence.

By the way, I live in Vermont, where, if you care to look into the record, our administration (Republican governor, bipartisan congress) has been quite in accord with Fauci's recommendations, even having him as an honored guest at one of the governor's press conferences. Vermont has done quite well in this pandemic compared to other states. What an odd coincidence, eh?

 

[Foster Zygote]

As I recall reading, the nations which did the best job of stamping on the first wave were also those whose economies bounced back most strongly as it passed. So it might be worth those who imagine they are the champions of harsh economic realities to consider if they are indeed realities.

If we go the opposite direction from the U.S., and extrapolate the percentage of fatalities in New Zealand to the global population, the global deaths would be under 42,000 - a 95% reduction.

 

[Resume]

A lot of the 8 billion live people in he world are getting tired of the BS.

I highlighted your error, your continuing error. I am tired of the pandemic and the restrictions, but I possess enough empathy to understand that masks, and social distancing are the minimum I can do for myself and fellow humans. I feel sorry for those who are frustrated with these measures, even those who foolishly deny the existence of the virus.

 

[Tom Palven]

I highlighted your error, your continuing error. I am tired of the pandemic and the restrictions, but I possess enough empathy to understand that masks, and social distancing are the minimum I can do for myself and fellow humans. I feel sorry for those who are frustrated with these measures, even those who foolishly deny the existence of the virus.

I frankly think that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns are irrelevant to the spread of the viruses involved, but that's almost beside the point.

I definitely don't need to come to listen to alleged skeptics repeat politically correct conventional wisdom. I've gotten all that over and over, and could have gotten it from osmosis, alone.

It's like knowing the tune and at least some of the words to Amazing Grace, whether or not you want to.

 

[zooterkin]

I frankly think that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns are irrelevant to the spread of the viruses involved,

You're entitled to believe whatever nonsense you choose, but the facts are against you.

How do you think this particular virus propagates, and why do those methods not affect it?

 

[Aridas]

Yes, I believe that stuff, and have expounded on it, but I must be getting curmudgeonly in my old age, because now I just want to pop in once in a while and lob a stink bomb.

Even when it's embarrassingly inane?

So you believe that Anthony Fauci is the sinister leader of a world-wide conspiracy to pass off a common seasonal virus as a pandemic that has killed 2.7 million people, despite having no supporting evidence, and in the face of contradictory evidence. That sounds remarkably like the way Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead.

Given his remarkable focus on Fauci in his claims, Tom Palven would seem to be the actual follower of a religion called Fauci Covidism. I have no problem with agreeing that Fauci is a somewhat important figure in relation to COVID, but, to make a biblical analogy, Fauci is as important to the actual science as, say, Elijah is to Christianity. Elijah's a rather recognizable figure, but little more than that in actual importance to Christianity. Tom Palven, Caroline13, and the others who have assigned such disproportionate value to him try to claim that he's as important to the scientific consensus as Jesus is to Christianity would be the ones who could reasonably be called Fauci Covidists.

I highlighted your error, your continuing error.

I'm going to disagree with you slightly. There is plenty of tiredness with BS. Those of us who have had to see/hear about no maskers, guys wiping their noses on store employees, COVID parties, corporate backed "get back to work" events, Trump and the Republican Party propagandists actively spreading disinformation and doing so very much to sabotage the US' ability to have kept COVID under control in the first place and actually deal with it after that was no longer possible, and so very much more BS are certainly tired of it. Hence, patience with Tom Palven's trolling, regardless of the reason behind it, is quite limited.

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

I frankly think that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns are irrelevant to the spread of the viruses involved, but that's almost beside the point.

You are completely wrong on that. Completely at odds with the established science.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I frankly think that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns are irrelevant to the spread of the viruses involved, but that's almost beside the point.

And, as you're so keen to point out, many people think that Jesus rose from the dead because he was the son of God. Many of those same people believe that modern biology is a hoax.

Your belief, being contradicted by scientific research, is more a faith.

I definitely don't need to come to listen to alleged skeptics repeat politically correct conventional wisdom. I've gotten all that over and over, and could have gotten it from osmosis, alone.

The only people who have politicised this issue are those like you, who somehow think that everything can be divided along the lines of American partisan politics.

And you're right, you don't need to come here and be forced to ignore the fatal flaws in your scientifically and socially ignorant conspiracy theories.

It's like knowing the tune and at least some of the words to Amazing Grace, whether or not you want to.

In this case it's not Amazing Grace, but critical thinking and science that you don't really know.

 

[Caroline13]

Don't miss this one, all you Open Minded people here, and the Scott Jenson MD/Senator video. He has others out there too.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...More&cid=20210320&mid=DM834944&rid=1112084589