Allopathic Medicine!!!

[steenkh]

So yeah, I guess you could say that people thinking they feel better is a better outcome than people not thinking they feel better, but surely actual improvement is what we're interested in?

Of course actual improvement is the goal, but when compared to no treatment a placebo treatment is better, and that is what we see with people who are suspicious about real treatments, or with people whose condition makes the available real treatments impossible.

There are also conditions where conventional medicine has no treatment, such as some forms of arthritis. The patients are told to live with it, or take pain killers. A placebo treatment, no matter if it is a pill with glucosamine, homoeopathy, or a belief in healing magnets, is better if it enables the patient to live with the condition.

A child may have had an accident that hurts, and if it helps managing the pain that a parent blows on the painful spot, then why not do it, although it is a placebo?

 

[arthwollipot]

A placebo treatment isn't better than no treatment because a placebo treatment is no treatment. That's the point.

And as the asthma study demonstrated, you may think you're getting better, but based on actual measurable health outcomes, you're not. Thinking that you're getting better when you're actually not carries risk on its own.

 

[bruto]

A placebo treatment isn't better than no treatment because a placebo treatment is no treatment. That's the point.

And as the asthma study demonstrated, you may think you're getting better, but based on actual measurable health outcomes, you're not. Thinking that you're getting better when you're actually not carries risk on its own.

Of course that will be true if there is a treatment. It's less of an issue if no treatment is known or none is possible. If the question is whether you think you've been cheated or treated when you die, get out the placebo.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Of course actual improvement is the goal, but when compared to no treatment a placebo treatment is better, and that is what we see with people who are suspicious about real treatments, or with people whose condition makes the available real treatments impossible.

There are also conditions where conventional medicine has no treatment, such as some forms of arthritis. The patients are told to live with it, or take pain killers. A placebo treatment, no matter if it is a pill with glucosamine, homoeopathy, or a belief in healing magnets, is better if it enables the patient to live with the condition.

A child may have had an accident that hurts, and if it helps managing the pain that a parent blows on the painful spot, then why not do it, although it is a placebo?

Aka: Mummy Kiss It Better

 

[bruto]

By the way, by way of confession, as it were, I should mention that although I remain friendly to ideas of organic food and vitamins and the like, I am, indeed, more in the camp of "big pharma" than some people would like.

My grandfather was a chemist for Pfizer, who discovered the process for deriving citric acid from fermentation, and was instrumental in making Pfizer a big corporation providing many industrial chemicals and food additives. His laboratory assistant, Jasper Kane, continued his work and developed the process of making large quantities of antibiotics from deep vats of molds, saving many lives during the second word war, and probably my own not too many years later.

I would be happy to be counted as the beneficiary of that legacy, even without the possibly embarrassing fact that part of the reason I can spend my time bloviating on issues like this is related to the sizeable stock options my Grandfather enjoyed.

"Big Pharma" corporations have committed many sins and done many things wrong, but the development of life saving pharmaceuticals is not one of them. Pfizer is guilty of much, but they're good at making the stuff they make, and you're a fool if you think that the greed of their directors or their unwarranted meddling in political processes, or other corporate shenanigans, means that you should skip the vaccine and chow down on wine-press refuse.

 

[Sherman Bay]

And it's all about "like cures like"...look it up.

No it doesn't, except in Hahnemann's fairy-fantasy world. And you can look it up.

 

[Caroline13]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

 

[hecd2]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

We’ll never get anything other than worthless anecdotes from Caroline.

 

[Caroline13]

We’ll never get anything other than worthless anecdotes from Caroline.

What do you want?

 

[Norman Alexander]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

Another desperate crank of the alt-med wheel. It's like she has learned nothing. Or does not want to learn anything. Or is just under-bridge-dwelling.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

You do realise that much conventional medicine does not involve drugs? And that much work is done on prevention? Certainly in countries which are not USA! USA! USA!

And that the "info" you have supplied so far (in between dodging pertinent questions) has been rubbish and most of it doesn't even say what you seem to think it says? You have not supplied any actual evidence to support a single thing you've claimed.

And that you are still victim blaming?

 

[Pixel42]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe. .

So called alternative medicines only "work" - I.e. are erroneouely perceived as effective - for trivial illnesses where the symptoms are mostly subjective such as pain, nausea etc.. When people are really ill - and that can happen to anyone, no matter what supposed preventatives they have paid quacks through the nose for - they have to turn to real medicines, because they're the only ones that actually work.

For example, if someone develops type 1 diabetes they have to take insulin. If they don't, they will die. And before the scientists and doctors you ignorantly insult discovered the cure, die is exactly what they did. There's no homeopathic treatment that can prevent or cure diabetes, because homeopathy is pure quackery.

 

[bruto]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

Start by explaining childhood cancer. You can continue then with juvenile diabetes, heart defects, and leukemia. Take your time.

 

[Mojo]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

Why do you think they want to do that?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

"Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!"

Give it a rest until you have something of value to add.

 

[EHocking]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

The Conspiracy threads are this way.

This section is for actual science.
Please stop posting off topic nonsense here.

 

[Pixel42]

Caroline's cynical condemnation of all qualified medical practitioners is grating particularly at the moment, as my nephew Nicky is currently in intensive care with serious internal injuries following a road accident. I considered asking her what preventative supplements and alternative remedies he should have been taking to keep him out of the clutches of the world class 'allopathic' doctors, surgeons and nurses who are now fighting to save his life (at no cost to him, as this is a civilised country) but I don't really feel like laughing right now.

 

[Steve]

Caroline's cynical condemnation of all qualified medical practitioners is grating particularly at the moment, as my nephew Nicky is currently in intensive care with serious internal injuries following a road accident. I considered asking her what preventative supplements and alternative remedies he should have been taking to keep him out of the clutches of the world class 'allopathic' doctors, surgeons and nurses who are now fighting to save his life (at no cost to him, as this is a civilised country) but I don't really feel like laughing right now.

This can be answered by anyone here reading her posts. Your nephew should be taking grape seed extract, and refusing all surgeries as they may result in future pain.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Sorry to hear about your nephew, Pixel42. Very best wishes for a full and swift recovery (with the assistance of the remarkable abilities of modern medicine).

 

[arthwollipot]

Allopathic Medicine will always be there for the ones who end up with Heart Disease, Cancers, Diabetes, COPD, MS and all the other dread diseases...the allopathic docs are waiting with their pads to start writing all their drugs for you.

The Other World of Medicines are there so people can escape the dread diseases and they do a damn good job. But they have to be taken, not just talked about and attacked. I'ts called Prevention and my mother bless her heart was into the world of Prevention over 50 yrs ago, and yes she's gone at 91 but she was OPEN to preventing dread stuff....and there wasn't all the info back then either as there is today....Thank the Universe.

Have a good life you people.

I've got one, thanks. I'm 51 and I don't have heart disease, cancer, diabetes, COPD or MS. I haven't given a single cent to Big Supp in my life, have never taken vitamins or homeopathy (except for that one time I drank the 24C hydrochloric acid), have never taken a health supplement or anything with the word "wellness" on the bottle. I'm healthy as a horse. A healthy horse.

If you've taken all these supplements and are healthy, how do you know that you're healthy because of the supplements? You don't. You can't know that. Maybe you would have been just as healthy without them. But Big Supp doesn't want you to consider that. They want to keep you on their "wellness" bandwagon so that they can keep bleeding you for money.