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Non-binary identities are valid

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d4m10n said:
Just speculating here, but wouldn't doing that tend to elevate birth sex over gender identity?
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As gender identity appears to be based on the non-verifiable feelings of the person involved and can apparently be changed on a whim, it never makes sense to me to segregate by gender identity.

There are good reasons to segregate by sex in specific instances, and if they can't be justified, there should be no segregation. I can't imagine why anything should be segregated by gender identity.
 
Ron Obvious said:
As gender identity appears to be based on the non-verifiable feelings of the person involved and can apparently be changed on a whim, it never makes sense to me to segregate by gender identity.

There are good reasons to segregate by sex in specific instances, and if they can't be justified, there should be no segregation. I can't imagine why anything should be segregated by gender identity.
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I suggest that your own view of gender identity appears to be based on non-verifiable feelings. There is no apparent reason that your feelings could not be changed on a whim.

I do agree that nothing should be segregated by gender identity. Mere acceptance of such identity is sufficient. For awards shows, supposedly recognizing talent, the only thing that needs to be recognized is ability. Sex, gender, age, or any other arbitrary criteria should be irrelevant.
 
Many kinds of performance have a physical aspect. Singing, at a certain level, involves a high degree of body control and getting the most out of your body's potential. But unlike basketball or soccer, singing is judged subjectively. And the differences in physical ability between men and women are probably irrelevant. If they exist at all.
 
theprestige said:
Many kinds of performance have a physical aspect. Singing, at a certain level, involves a high degree of body control and getting the most out of your body's potential. But unlike basketball or soccer, singing is judged subjectively. And the differences in physical ability between men and women are probably irrelevant. If they exist at all.
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Males have lower pitch voices, females have higher pitch voices. That difference is real and objective. The significance of this difference is subjective, but it is significant to a lot of people.
 
Ziggurat said:
Males have lower pitch voices, females have higher pitch voices. That difference is real and objective. The significance of this difference is subjective, but it is significant to a lot of people.
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If we're going by pitch, why not have categories for soprano, alto, tenor, and bass?
 
Non binary just means switching between 0 and 1 whenever you want. It doesn't mean that 0 and 1 aren't the only options, or that anyone else is obligated to recognize your switch.
 
Ziggurat said:
Males have lower pitch voices, females have higher pitch voices. That difference is real and objective. The significance of this difference is subjective, but it is significant to a lot of people.
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All males have lower pitch voices, and all females have higher pitch ones? If not then it's not objective.
 
zooterkin said:
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Maybe it’s my background in computer science, but surely that’s the very definition of binary?
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Context matters. It's a binary system. Most people stick with one or the other. A few switch back and forth, o or pretend there's a third value in between. There isn't, though. Just people switching between 0 and 1,and saying that makes them a 2.
 
PhantomWolf said:
All males have lower pitch voices, and all females have higher pitch ones? If not then it's not objective.
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This is akin to saying there's no difference in male and female athletic ability because some females are stronger than some males. That may be true, but the population average differences are still absolutely objective, and it's delusional to think it isn't. As I already explicitly said, the significance of that population average difference is subjective. Unlike athletic ability, low versus high pitch doesn't automatically fall onto a scale of better or worse. I'm not even arguing that signing awards need to be or should be segregated by sex. But there still is a difference, regardless of whether or not you care about the difference, and regardless of whether or not there are individual exceptions.
 
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