LondonJohn
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Probably a worthwhile read for most if not all of the participants in this thread.
In other news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56381862
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[ED] Discussion: Trans Women Are not Women (Part 6)
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Probably a worthwhile read for most if not all of the participants in this thread.
In other news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56381862
Solving a problem? Sending a message? It can't be both.
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Next up: the defense of pedophilia.
To be clear, I am not claiming transgenderism is similar to pedophilia. But as stated, Amazon’s policy makes them the same. They are both sexual identities, and you can’t call either a mental illness.
No it doesn’t.
Eddie Izzard is clearly just appropriating gender identity as a life-hack. How did this essay even get published?
Ron Obvious
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Quite possibly. Of course you can't ever test the validity of self-identification
in the first place, which is why it's largely useless for most purposes.
I suspect it's a publicity stunt on his part. I love the guy, but his more recent output has not been of the same quality as his earlier stuff, so maybe he thought his career could use a boost.
It's the usual path of a brilliant comic becoming widely successful: they turn establishment and either lose their edge or become misanthropic with age.
Try this link - you should get 5 free articles
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/as-police-found-sarah-everards-body-msps-voted-against-protecting-women-in-hate-crime-bill-susan-dalgety-3163669
Your understanding is basically correct, except that it also covers private dwellings as well as public spaces.
LondonJohn
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Wait, what? Did you just imply that Izzard's gender identity issues are..... a publicity stunt, owing to (in your opinion) his comedy career not going so well of late??
I genuinely can't tell whether your post is tongue-in-cheek or serious. But I'm erring on the side of taking it as read. Incredible.
I suppose there are some people who thought that when George Michael publicly came out as gay, he'd just done it as a publicity stunt because he hadn't had so many hit records lately.............
Presumably that also means anybody who argues against sex based rights for women is a misogynist?
Ron Obvious
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Wait, what? Did you just imply that Izzard's gender identity issues are..... a publicity stunt, owing to (in your opinion) his comedy career not going so well of late??
I'm just going by his earlier self-description as an executive transvestite who fancies girls. That's out there enough that saying he thought of himself as female isn't much of a step. So why did he wait until the subject is very topical?
Maybe he's sincere. I doubt it, but I don't care much either way.
Out of curiosity, had he now adopted one of those faux female voices as well, or does he still use his own voice? I haven't heard any that don't sound like a man putting on a woman's voice.
sarge
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Anyone who argues in favor of inventing transgender ‘rights’ that directly imposes unnecessarily and dangerously on women’s rights is a misogynist.
d4m10n
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Are there any arguments in favor of rights for females ought to have which don't come off as arguments against transgender rights to those same privileges or spaces?
Sherkeu
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Izzard seems to have bent a bit on pronouns while still giving a bit of side-eye toward people who want her in one box or the other.
Izzard also faced backlash for defending J.K. Rowling. Her more nuanced views are not taken as allied with the goals of other TRA's.
It's not that simple. A trans woman who has not surgically transitioned inhabits a male body. But in a secular society, there is no definition of "inhabiting" a body; there is only a living human body scientifically identical to a human being. No one should be discriminated against on the basis of gender. But with gender out of the equation, any issue germane to the sexual dimorphism of the human body can be considered by a secular society only as an issue related to a human body that exists.
This isn't an abstract debate anymore. There is now an actual law being reviewed by the U.S. Senate. Taking it literally it says, for example, that Nova Maday has a right to use the boys' locker room; but almost no one reads it that way. What should it mean, legally, morally, and socially, for someone to file a claim in favor of their own discrimination?
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Can you expand on what rights you're referring to?
Louden Wilde
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Certainly some trans-activists argue that there should be not be any protections/representation based on sex (i.e. that TW be included in any category/space/representation that adult females have).
So are you saying that anyone arguing for female-based rights/spaces/ representation is transphobic?
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Robert Evans, veteran reporter, interviews members of the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch that has been under threat from armed fascists in rural Colorado.
I generally prefer text, but I'm not finding much else coverage at the moment.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-worst-year-ever-49377032/
They describe in more detail the confrontation with armed trespassers at night on their property. The trespassers were held at gunpoint and ordered to leave the property, throwing their rifles over a fence and climbing out of the ranch.
Apparently the common threat is that their homes will be burned down in the middle of the night.
In addition to the trespassing, they describe being followed in town and their ranch is often under surveillance.
They also describe the outpouring of support from the armed left, including individuals who are volunteering for armed night patrol, sending armer plates and other materials, and money being used to beef up security of the large plot.
I generally prefer text, but I'm not finding much else coverage at the moment.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-worst-year-ever-49377032/
They describe in more detail the confrontation with armed trespassers at night on their property. The trespassers were held at gunpoint and ordered to leave the property, throwing their rifles over a fence and climbing out of the ranch.
Apparently the common threat is that their homes will be burned down in the middle of the night.
In addition to the trespassing, they describe being followed in town and their ranch is often under surveillance.
They also describe the outpouring of support from the armed left, including individuals who are volunteering for armed night patrol, sending armer plates and other materials, and money being used to beef up security of the large plot.
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