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Cancel culture IRL

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Stout said:
One would think that a Nobel prize winning author would have a tad bit more insight into and familiarity with the current state of the publishing industry than your average laypreson. No ?



What do you want done about it ? If you're happy with [/hilite]only certain beople being able to write certain things from certain viewpoints[/hilite] then so be it. Artistic expression be dammed, this is your slot and don't you dare stray out of it.



Cancel culture is, literally, in the title of the article.
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Is that what is being advocated?

A person can write whatever they feel like.

Being denied a publication deal or having posts removed by a platform owner doesn't deny being able to write it.

Same issue as "not allowed to think bad thoughts" nonsense. One can have "thoughts that will be unpopular." When one utters those thoughts publicly, the world may respond in a fashion not consistent with blowing sunshine and rainbows up the ass of whoever uttered it (or propagating it, etc).
 
johnny karate said:
Here’s you lamenting the the threat of “mobs” as a component of “cancel culture”. Here’s you doing it again. And again.

Here’s you reacting to an actual mob violently storming the U.S. Capitol:

Seems like that might be a double standard.
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Hard to know where to start here.

First off, a 'mob' of Twitter yappers is in no way comparable to actual violent insurrectionists.

Second, if you were a little less selective in your cherry-picking, you'd note that I have repeatedly said I'd underestimated how serious the Dildo Storm was when it was happening. I have consistently said since then that every one involved should be in prison for insurrection. When it was happening, I was on a job and it seemed like a very small group. Only later, I saw the full scale. Cherry picked gotchas suck, don't they?

Thirdly, the Dildo Storm was (even so) a mob that I was 100% confident would be quickly squashed, as they were. There is no comparable hammer to drop on twitterers.

You want to try again, or go rehearse a blackface routine with the other guy?
 
JoeMorgue said:
You and others have a very "I am under no obligation to consistently be having the same discussion if I'm the one being effected" attitude.
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:confused: I don't see this as being even remotely true. The people who have concerns about the speed and inaccuracy with which "cancel culture" (regardless of whether it's new or not) can harm people don't seem to have every expressed that it's only objectionable when "one side" does it.

In fact, the only people I see claiming "sides" at all are those who seem to think that this sort of behavior is acceptable and not at all a risk that should be discussed...
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
It's only cancel culture if it's something that annoys conservatives.
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It's interesting that many of the people objecting to the behaviors exhibited by "cancel culture" are NOT conservatives.

Do you toss out the label of conservative in a tribalistic belief that it will tarnish the reputation of others and shame them into silence? Is that the tactic?
 
Emily's Cat said:
It's interesting that many of the people objecting to the behaviors exhibited by "cancel culture" are NOT conservatives.

Do you toss out the label of conservative in a tribalistic belief that it will tarnish the reputation of others and shame them into silence? Is that the tactic?
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No, they are clearly incapable of shame. The incessant whinging would be pretty embarrassing otherwise.
 
johnny karate said:
You’re doing the loudmouth obnoxious douchebags of the world proud. Next time you talk to them, tell them that a better approach might be to make better jokes, or you know, just shut up and do their jobs instead of pushing the envelope with their edgy “comedy”.
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I love that you sincerely believe "boop/bop/beep" is actually edgy and that you feel the need to wokely scold people about it. At any rate, will be sure to pass on your message at the next loudmouth obnoxious douchbags conclave. [emoji14]
 
Darat said:
So again - what do you want to happen to solve your problem? (If of course the author you quoted can substantiate his assertions and there is a problem to be solved or addressed.)
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How about....Anybody and everybody can write whatever they want from whatever point of view they want an the identity politics whiners can go piss up a rope.
 
Thermal said:
Hard to know where to start here.

First off, a 'mob' of Twitter yappers is in no way comparable to actual violent insurrectionists.
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Yes, I know. That’s the point. And for some reason, you’re concerned about the former but not so much the latter.

Second, if you were a little less selective in your cherry-picking, you'd note that I have repeatedly said I'd underestimated how serious the Dildo Storm was when it was happening. I have consistently said since then that every one involved should be in prison for insurrection. When it was happening, I was on a job and it seemed like a very small group. Only later, I saw the full scale. Cherry picked gotchas suck, don't they?
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Cherry picking =/= pointing out when someone is wrong. That you backtracked later is of no relevance. The issue is your double standards, of which you requested examples. Your repeated hand-wringing over “Twitter mobs” and dismissive attitude towards actual mobs in the act of violent insurrection qualifies.

Thirdly, the Dildo Storm was (even so) a mob that I was 100% confident would be quickly squashed, as they were. There is no comparable hammer to drop on twitterers.
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Again, not relevant. What’s relevant is your dismissive attitude towards one and constant bemoaning of the other. Otherwise known as a “double standard”.

And in point of fact, the mob of violent insurrections that you didn’t care about were not “quickly squashed”. They were politely escorted from the premises with many of them still at large, including the person who potentially murdered a cop.

But tell me more about the meanies on Twitter who forced Disney to not let Gina Carano play Star Wars anymore.
 
d4m10n said:
I love that you sincerely believe "boop/bop/beep" is actually edgy and that you feel the need to wokely scold people about it. At any rate, will be sure to pass on your message at the next loudmouth obnoxious douchbags conclave. [emoji14]
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Cool :thumbsup: While you’re there, remind them that while they’re busy crafting their next hilarious zinger that the things we say and do have consequences, a concept most adults have little trouble grasping.
 
Stout said:
How about....Anybody and everybody can write whatever they want from whatever point of view they want an the identity politics whiners can go piss up a rope.
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Good news: That’s our current system.
 
Stout said:
How about....Anybody and everybody can write whatever they want from whatever point of view they want an the identity politics whiners can go piss up a rope.
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Cool. You already have what you are whining to get.

Or did you mean that anyone can write whatever they want and escape the consequences of someone that may come with enough people whining about it?
 
Stout said:
How about....Anybody and everybody can write whatever they want from whatever point of view they want an the identity politics whiners can go piss up a rope.
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So in your world anyone can write anything free of consequence, they are just not allowed to write that there should sometimes be consequences for writing :confused:
 
Stout said:
Wow. Where did I ever say anything about being free of consequences ? I've even been keeping my posts short so as not to confuse the easily confused.

For those that are still in denial.

Who Gave You the Right to Tell That Story?
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I'm not sure what this article has to do with denial. I didn't read every author's bit, but from the first bunch this seems like outside pressure is pushing these writers to be thoughtful and deliberate about the way they depict race culture and experiences outside themselves and it seems to be making for richer writing rather than censorship.

Is that the article you meant to link to?

Because it reads to me like a great case study that outside pressure not to be lazy or stereotypical with depictions of characters outside personal experience is leading these writers to do better work and evaluate their own past work with a closer lens.

None of these writers seem silenced or censored.
 
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Stout said:
How about....Anybody and everybody can write whatever they want from whatever point of view they want an the identity politics whiners can go piss up a rope.
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What are your thoughts on "people genuinely upset by bigotry/harrassment/et al." writing about how the other writing made them feel?

Or is "cancel culture" only when "identity politics whiners" do it?
 
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