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Cancel culture IRL

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Distracted1 said:
You "lost me" when you moved away from reason in favor of hyperbole and tribalism.
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Wow you just literally have no idea how to actually argue a point do you? Like seriously is this not taught in schools anymore? You just repeat random words I get the impression you've had used against you in the past.

If ten people send out (legal) social media posts, and one is fired, it becomes apparent that the content of the posts is the reason for the firing.
If the content can be the reason for the firing, it follows that the person/organization has a standard of ideological expression that must be conformed to.

However you wish to charachterise/mischarachterize the content of the opinions expressed, denying that as the reason for the firing defies logic.
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- Employers are not obligated to tolerate all behavior from their employees provided it is "legal."

- As stated I have absolutely zero ***** to give about the moral conundrum you've up and decided to have now and only now and I have no intentions of further explaining to a brick wall why the fact that you are up in arms about "cancel culture" but not literally all the other social consequences people face matters.
 
Distracted1 said:
You "lost me" when you moved away from reason in favor of hyperbole and tribalism.

If ten people send out (legal) social media posts, and one is fired, it becomes apparent that the content of the posts is the reason for the firing.
If the content can be the reason for the firing, it follows that the person/organization has a standard of ideological expression that must be conformed to.

However you wish to charachterise/mischarachterize the content of the opinions expressed, denying that as the reason for the firing defies logic.
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Its public expression of ideology or other things that a corporation believes will negatively effect their revenue. Take James Gunn for example. Let go by Disney because some old posts came to light where he made some very off color jokes (not ideology). Disney decided not to work with him anymore. Then a huge number of fans and actors let it be known that they really want him back as director for the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise, and then he was re-hired.
 
Distracted1 said:
No. And they are not fired for making the twits.
Ergo- it is not the making of twits that gets one fired- it is the ideology of their content.
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One has an ideology. One makes an expression. Twitter is a possible forum for that expression.

Ideology, expression, and forum are each separate.

No matter the ideology, if the expression is sufficiently offensive (comparing minor suffering to the systematic murder of a race of people) and on a public enough forum, then there will be consequences.

Other conservatives are not having this problem. They are not being offensive in their expressions of their ideology. Assuming there is some similarity between their ideology, I have to assume it is how they choose to express themselves, not the ideology, that is the problem.
 
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Dr. Keith said:
No matter the ideology, if the expression is sufficiently offensive (comparing minor suffering to the systematic murder of a race of people) and on a public enough forum, then there will be consequences.
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It's not particularly difficult to find people comparing their political opponents to Nazis, IIRC; Godwin coined a heuristic about it.

ETA: Even recognizable actors do it...
https://twitter.com/Chris_Meloni/status/1261897915078852609
 
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Emily's Cat said:
Here is an example of the kind of behavior and response that I consider to be "cancel culture", even though it doesn't have any particularly negative outcomes.

'Shocked by the uproar': Amanda Gorman's white translator quits

A black American poet, Amanda Gorman, is being translated into Dutch. Gorman selected Marieke Lucas Rijneveld, a white nonbinary author, to translator her work. An activists and journalist Janice Deul wrote an targeting the publisher for using a translator that was not white. The publisher and Rjinveld decided that Rjinveld should withdraw and not be the translator... because she is white.

Even though Rjinveld was selected by the black author herself.

So... the author didn't have any problem with her work being translated by a white author. The publisher honored the wishes of the author herself. But a third party instigated and led a social backlash against the publisher, on their belief that the work of a black person should only be translated by another black person. And the social backlash was significant enough to effectively override the wishes of the author.
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When you preface your example of a problem by saying it wasn’t really that much of a problem, then you haven’t provided an example of what constitutes a problem by any objective measure.

You’ve merely provided an example of something you personally dislike.

And I’m not sure why anyone else should care about that.
 
Distracted1 said:
Ms. Burnett was not actually fired. She suffered no harm from her attempted "cancellation".

Can I take if from your post that you have joined those of us who are arguing that attempted cancellation is wrong even in cases where little actual harm occurs ?
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Can I take it from your post that you will continue to sidestep the very important distinction of government officials using the power of their office to attack free speech? Yeah, probably.
 
d4m10n said:
It's not particularly difficult to find people comparing their political opponents to Nazis, IIRC; Godwin coined a heuristic about it.

ETA: Even recognizable actors do it...
https://twitter.com/Chris_Meloni/status/1261897915078852609
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So, now you have to figure out why NBC does not care about an actor in their Law & Order drama making a Nazi reference while Disney cared about an actress in their Star Wars drama making a holocaust reference.

Can you count the differences?
 
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Distracted1 said:
You "lost me" when you moved away from reason in favor of hyperbole and tribalism.

If ten people send out (legal) social media posts, and one is fired, it becomes apparent that the content of the posts is the reason for the firing.
If the content can be the reason for the firing, it follows that the person/organization has a standard of ideological expression that must be conformed to.

However you wish to charachterise/mischarachterize the content of the opinions expressed, denying that as the reason for the firing defies logic.
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If your “ideology” causes you to make public proclamations of bigotry and conspiracy theories, the problem lies with you and your ****** ideology.
 
d4m10n said:
If one probable outcome of such accusations is that an individual will be deplatformed or disemployed or otherwise sanctioned...yes!

(Of course.)
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How are you measuring these probabilities?

Please show your work.
 
Dr. Keith said:
One has an ideology. One makes an expression. Twitter is a possible forum for that expression.

Ideology, expression, and forum are each separate.

No matter the ideology, if the expression is sufficiently offensive (comparing minor suffering to the systematic murder of a race of people) and on a public enough forum, then there will be consequences.

Other conservatives are not having this problem. They are not being offensive in their expressions of their ideology. Assuming there is some similarity between their ideology, I have to assume it is how they choose to express themselves, not the ideology, that is the problem.
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I do not look at Twitter unless linked to on this forum.
I saw upthread an image of a cartoon appearing to be an allegory featuring some antisemitic imagery that I have (possibly mistakenly) believed was sent out by the fired actress.

I also saw the one discussing how the persecution of the Jews began to be felt in Nazi Germany, and how she feels like that kind of vilification is beginning to be directed towards conservatives.

Please tell me that the arguments decrying the "anti Semitic" posts that got this woman fired are based on the first example, and not the second.

If we are arguing that the second one is somehow offensive, every Godwin in the history of history is going to need to be publicly shamed.
And don't get anyone started on the Spanish Inquisition.
Nobody expects it, you know.
 
Distracted1 said:
I do not look at Twitter unless linked to on this forum.
I saw upthread an image of a cartoon appearing to be an allegory featuring some antisemitic imagery that I have (possibly mistakenly) believed was sent out by the fired actress.

I also saw the one discussing how the persecution of the Jews began to be felt in Nazi Germany, and how she feels like that kind of vilification is beginning to be directed towards conservatives.

Please tell me that the arguments decrying the "anti Semitic" posts that got this woman fired are based on the first example, and not the second.

If we are arguing that the second one is somehow offensive, every Godwin in the history of history is going to need to be publicly shamed.
And don't get anyone started on the Spanish Inquisition.
Nobody expects it, you know.
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Yes, let’s everyone pitch in to do some research for you about a topic for which you’ve already formed an opinion.

You’re not merely putting the cart before the horse, you’re asking us to build the cart for you.
 
Distracted1 said:
The content reflects the ideology.
Words and images are content.
Other employees are allowed to post words and images. Only the ideology of the posts is different.
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I asked before and didn't see an answer.
If Carano had expressed her conservative ideology in different words, would you have expected the same outcome?

If not, then we could conclude that the issue is the particularities of the act that was at issue, not the ideology.
 
Distracted1 said:
I do not look at Twitter unless linked to on this forum.
I saw upthread an image of a cartoon appearing to be an allegory featuring some antisemitic imagery that I have (possibly mistakenly) believed was sent out by the fired actress.

I also saw the one discussing how the persecution of the Jews began to be felt in Nazi Germany, and how she feels like that kind of vilification is beginning to be directed towards conservatives.

Please tell me that the arguments decrying the "anti Semitic" posts that got this woman fired are based on the first example, and not the second.

If we are arguing that the second one is somehow offensive, every Godwin in the history of history is going to need to be publicly shamed.
And don't get anyone started on the Spanish Inquisition.
Nobody expects it, you know.
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She was put on notice in late 2020 about her social media activity. She knew what continuing down that path meant and made her choice. We can go down the “ought” and “should” road again but maybe she “should” have used some tact like everyone else who manages to use social media and retain employment does.

I mean, it didn’t come as a surprise to her she was fired, she just didn’t like that it happened. There’s a lesson there also.
 
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