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Cancel culture IRL

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johnny karate said:
You claimed that Gina Carano lost her job not because of her behavior, but because Disney wanted “ideological conformity”.
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Pretty sure I would never claim those are two separate categories without substantial overlap; no one cares about your ideology unless it changes your behaviour.
 
johnny karate said:
Instead of retreating to the safety of a pointless semantic debate, let’s perhaps stay on topic.

You claimed that Gina Carano lost her job not because of her behavior, but because Disney wanted “ideological conformity”.

If Disney wanted “ideological conformity” why did they hire Carano in the first place?

If the entertainment industry in general demands “ideological conformity”, how do conservative actors ever get work?
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...and in general, could we get quite a bit *more* cancelling from the US right wing, against people supposedly on their own side? Among other problems, they'd have fewer people accusing them of bigotry if they didn't constantly give handjobs to obvious bigots like Toupee Fiasco or Tucker Carlson. And toss out the grifters selling fake MREs and Undergod-esque energy pills. In short, y'all seriously need to police your own side.

"Oh God how can you say that the CPAC stage was made to look like a Norse rune that Nazis prefer?" Um, because it's exactly the sort of thing republicans do to say "Look at us, we're white nationalists!", that's why. No, this does not mean that you need to dogpile every vaguely conservative teenager that says something stupid, but when Alex Jones is showing up on stage at your rallies, something's gone seriously off the rails.
 
Just another reminder that the right wing is the real threat to any notion of freedom of expression. All the crying about SJWs and wokescolds trying to cancel actors is nothing compared to the government oppression of free speech they routinely advocate for.

Oklahoma Legislators passed the second of two companion bills on Wednesday that would criminalize anyone who films and publicly posts a photo of police officers.

Determined to prove their support for law enforcement, Oklahoma senators and representatives are taking a drastic step. The legislation would make it more difficult to hold public servants accountable for their misconduct.
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https://theblackwallsttimes.com/2021/02/24/oklahoma-bill-makes-it-illegal-to-photo-or-film-police-dems-vote-yes/

Right wingers making it illegal to film a cop in public.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
All the crying about SJWs and wokescolds trying to cancel actors is nothing compared to the government oppression of free speech they routinely advocate for.
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I'll be sure to write my Oklahoma reps about this bill, which has not yet been scheduled for a floor vote. That said, it should be possible to oppose excessive cancellation along with opposing laws which go too far in ensuring personal privacy for public servants. It's not like I have to choose between one or the other here.
 
d4m10n said:
I'll be sure to write my Oklahoma reps about this bill, which has not yet been scheduled for a floor vote. That said, it should be possible to oppose excessive cancellation along with opposing laws which go too far in ensuring personal privacy for public servants. It's not like I have to choose between one or the other here.
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It's a good example of what all this crying about "cancel culture" is really about, which is shielding the powerful from any form of real accountability.

Fortunately federal jurisprudence on this is pretty clear and filming the cops while conducting their official duties is 1A protected activity. But when it comes to conservatives trying to infringe on civil rights, it's the thought that counts.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
It's a good example of what all this crying about "cancel culture" is really about, which is shielding the powerful from any form of real accountability.
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Nothing in that bill fits the definition of cancel culture, so this feels like something of a non sequitur to me, abruptly changing the subject from what it was to what you'd prefer it to be.
 
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d4m10n said:
Nothing in that bill fits the definition of cancel culture, so this feels like something of a non sequitur to me, abruptly changing the subject from what it was to what you'd prefer it to be.
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I'm not saying making it illegal to film the cops is cancel culture, it's the desired outcome of all the crocodile tears about cancel culture.

The whole point of ginning up this "cancel culture" nonsense is to lay the groundwork for defanging any meaningful accountability mechanisms, be that filming the cops or getting a bigot fired from their job.
 
d4m10n said:
I'll be sure to write my Oklahoma reps about this bill, which has not yet been scheduled for a floor vote. That said, it should be possible to oppose excessive cancellation along with opposing laws which go too far in ensuring personal privacy for public servants. It's not like I have to choose between one or the other here.
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And yet you seemed to have done just that.

“Cancel culture” is portrayed as an imminent threat to free speech, and yet actual threats to free speech are paid lip service or outright ignored.

Pages and pages of handwringing over poor Gina Carano. But no comment on Lora Burnett.*




* I apologize for the incorrect use of “wokescold” in that post.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The whole point of ginning up this "cancel culture" nonsense is to lay the groundwork for defanging any meaningful accountability mechanisms, be that filming the cops or getting a bigot fired from their job.
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I suppose we can simply take your word for this? Seems to me the GOP has been playing up their "law and order" bona fides for at least a few decades before coming around to their current culture war messaging.

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johnny karate said:
“Cancel culture” is portrayed as an imminent threat to free speech, and yet actual threats to free speech are paid lip service or outright ignored.
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I don't recall mentioning "free speech" but it's easy to get confused about which post we're replying to around here.


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d4m10n said:
I suppose we can simply take your word for this? Seems to me the GOP has been playing up their "law and order" bona fides for at least a few decades before coming around to their current culture war messaging.

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cancel culture is just a retread of conservatives whining about "political correctness" decades ago. It's the same old complaints that always come from reactionaries whenever the status quo is challenged.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm not saying making it illegal to film the cops is cancel culture, it's the desired outcome of all the crocodile tears about cancel culture.

The whole point of ginning up this "cancel culture" nonsense is to lay the groundwork for defanging any meaningful accountability mechanisms, be that filming the cops or getting a bigot fired from their job.
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It gets worse:
One of the principal criticisms of today’s left-wing culture is that it suppresses unpopular speech. In response, these bills would make left-wing speech illegal. Conservatives (falsely) call universities “brainwashing factories” and fret about the death of academic freedom. Their solution is to fire professors they don’t like.
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This is the endgame. A phony threat against free speech is manufactured and then weaponized to actually threaten free speech.
 
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johnny karate said:
The effort you put into being as vague as possible is truly impressive.
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It's intentional. If he only alludes to his points and never makes them, he forces us to constantly make a best guest at what he is actually trying to say and constantly hijack and stall out the discussion when we get it wrong.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's intentional. If he only alludes to his points and never makes them, he forces us to constantly make a best [guess] at what he is actually trying to say...
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To be totally clear, I'm not trying to make an argument about "free speech" in this thread. I'm not sure who is doing that, but you guys should probably address your counterargument to them.



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d4m10n said:
To be totally clear, I'm not trying to make an argument about "free speech" in this thread. I'm not sure who is doing that, but you guys should probably address your counterargument to them.
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Yes I know. We are all very clear about what your argument/point/chip on shoulder is NOT. We just don't have any idea what it is because YOU NEVER SEEM TO GET AROUND TO MAKING IT.
 
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