Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

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Foster Zygote said:
Does concentrating your vitriol on Dr. Fauci help you to ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus...
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This particular flavour of conspiracy nuttiness, is from Ron Paul. His fans spam Ron Paul's bizarre claims on social networks.

Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a member of the White House coronavirus response task force, wants to have “total control” of the American people, Mr Paul claimed during Thursday’s airing of his programme, titled Ron Paul Liberty Report.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-ron-paul-hoax-right-wing-trump-a9459891.html

Naturally, it makes no sense at all. Dr Fauci has served previous presidents without trying to takeover, and, additionally, asking people to wear a mask is hardly taking total control.:)
 
Matthew Ellard said:
This particular flavour of conspiracy nuttiness, is from Ron Paul. His fans spam Ron Paul's bizarre claims on social networks.

Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a member of the White House coronavirus response task force, wants to have “total control” of the American people, Mr Paul claimed during Thursday’s airing of his programme, titled Ron Paul Liberty Report.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-ron-paul-hoax-right-wing-trump-a9459891.html

Naturally, it makes no sense at all. Dr Fauci has served previous presidents without trying to takeover, and, additionally, asking people to wear a mask is hardly taking total control.:)
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imvho, anyone who accepts every bit of dogma from Pope Anthony as gospel is an Orthodox Covidist.
 
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Tom Palven said:
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imvho, anyone who accepts every bit of dogma from Pope Anthony as gospel is an Orthodox Covidist.
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You have yet to even attempt to make any sort of case for the claims you have made. Posts like this confirm the suspicion that this is because you are unable to do so.
 
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jimbob said:
I think I was being too generous:

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Brian O'Shea (Her husband tweeted)

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@naomirwolf just got put in Twitter jail for reporting on the following technologies, accused of spreading “misinformation” despite using peer reviewed sources (like MIT, Nature, Lancet, etc) ...let’s get everyone to share & RT this occurrence.
 
zooterkin said:
I don't know whether anyone made a fuss about it, but Covid-19 deaths in Germany are nearly 3 times that.
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I would say the issue is people not taking flu seriously enough rather than overreacting to Covid-19. Look at some of the simple measures shops have taken during the pandemic that could have surely curtailed the spread of flu in past years, plastic shields at tills, hand sanitizer, etc.
 
Steve said:
Seems awfully UScentric. Are you aware that there is an entire planet out there, full of people who know full well, without any involvement whatsoever of Dr Fauci, that there is a pandemic going on? And most countries are doing a significantly better job of dealing with the pandemic than the "land of the free", where denial is rampant.

George Carlin was a bright man and would have known these things. He would most certainly not have used you for source material.
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That Merkinanian-centricity seems to be typical of a certain type of commenter and always tells me how seriously I should take what they say.
 
Pixel42 said:
You have yet to even attempt to make any sort of case for the claims you have made. Posts like this confirm the suspicion that this is because you are unable to do so.
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I made several very long-winded posts over at the Skeptic.com forum about the many pieces to the alleged Covid Plague puzzle, and how it has become, imvho, an almost religious political movement instead of a rational response to a virus.

From the beginning it was trumpeted as a a "novel" virus, as though it was totally unrelated to other common-cold corona viruses, and then the hysterical panic-porn escalated from there.

Possibly my biggest cause for skepticism in the large puzzle is the labelling of alleged end-of-life Covid deaths differently than deaths associated with Clostridium difficile, as noted above in my post on Feb. 22 at 9:51 AM currently on the top of page 42.

That C. diff probably goes almost unreported as a contributing in deaths is not scandalous because the C. diff infection is largely irrelevant
 
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Tom Palven said:
I made several very long-winded posts over at the Skeptic.com forum about the many pieces to the alleged Covid Plague puzzle, and how it has become, imvho, an almost religious political movement instead of a rational response to a virus.

From the beginning it was trumpeted as a a "novel" virus, as though it was totally unrelated to other common-cold corona viruses, and then the hysterical panic-porn escalated from there.

Possibly my biggest cause for skepticism in the large puzzle is the labelling of alleged end-of-life Covid deaths differently than deaths associated with Clostridium difficile, as noted above in my post on Feb. 22 at 9:51 AM currently on the top of page 42.

That C. diff probably goes almost unreported as a contributing in deaths is not scandalous because the C. diff infection is largely irrelevant
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Have you actually looked at any data? Say the all-cause data for England and Wales (which I have going back to wk31, 1999):

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What happened in England and Wales in Spring 2020 that caused an unprecedented* spike in deaths which coincided with COVID-19 being mentioned on the death certificate?

What happened in winter 2020-21 which had the worst week this Century, except for spring 2020?

This four-plot shows weekly numbers on the top, and cumulative along the bottom, raw numbers on the left and excess from a baseline of the median for the week number for 1999-2021.

The year runs from wk31 to wk31, which also manages to split out the first and second waves into 2019-20 and 2020-21

Note how the second wave is almost as bad as the first as far as excess deaths are concerned (easiest to see in bottom right plot)

There are many countries for which this looks similar, including the US and Europe as a whole. Some countries with decent approaches haven't been affected so badly.
 
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Tom Palven said:
You claim to be an atheist, Matthew, but imvho, anyone who accepts every bit of dogma from Pope Anthony as gospel is an Orthodox Covidist.
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That's utter baloney. This kind of demonizing is so nonsensical it taints everything else you might say. Fauci is doing his job. Don't like it? Fine, don't like it and tell us why. But constant name calling and mockery is an argument-loser.
 
Tom Palven said:
I made several very long-winded posts over at the Skeptic.com forum about the many pieces to the alleged Covid Plague puzzle, and how it has become, imvho, an almost religious political movement instead of a rational response to a virus.

From the beginning it was trumpeted as a a "novel" virus, as though it was totally unrelated to other common-cold corona viruses, and then the hysterical panic-porn escalated from there.
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You are aware that 'novel' just means 'new'? New virus, not new type of virus; it's a coronavirus, that's the type.
Possibly my biggest cause for skepticism in the large puzzle is the labelling of alleged end-of-life Covid deaths differently than deaths associated with Clostridium difficile, as noted above in my post on Feb. 22 at 9:51 AM currently on the top of page 42.

That C. diff probably goes almost unreported as a contributing in deaths is not scandalous because the C. diff infection is largely irrelevant
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Nonsense. Please respond to jimbob's actual data.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Brian O'Shea (Her husband tweeted)

@BrianOSheaSPI
Censorship comes home! My wife
@naomirwolf just got put in Twitter jail for reporting on the following technologies, accused of spreading “misinformation” despite using peer reviewed sources (like MIT, Nature, Lancet, etc) ...let’s get everyone to share & RT this occurrence.
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How funny is it that these people are so stupid that they think the Illuminati, or Reptiloids, or Mole Men, or CHUDs, or whoever the **** they think runs the world, would give their "victims" the power of time travel. "Sure is lucky Skynet gave us all those time travel injections so we can defeat it before it existed!"
 
zooterkin said:
You are aware that 'novel' just means 'new'?
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Yes, I know, and the CDC mentions novel strains of flu virus every year, but the sensationalist press used the word to mean "alarmingly unique."

I have to leave at this moment, but will try to decipher those graphs and address excess deaths, which needs some explaining.
 
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Tom Palven said:
Yes, I know, and the CDC mentions novel strains of flu virus every year, but the sensationalist press used the word to mean "alarmingly unique."

I have to leave at this moment, but will try to decipher those graphs later.
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Maybe you should avoid the sensationalist press, including sensationalist conspiracy theorists, and study the science. Then you would learn that then is no conspiracy (and that Dr. Fauci is not a pope).
 
Tom Palven said:
You claim to be an atheist, Matthew, but imvho, anyone who accepts every bit of dogma from Pope Anthony as gospel is an Orthodox Covidist.
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That's one of the most pathetic "arguments" I've seen - and I've seen most of Yrreg's threads. Which reminds me - you forgot to type "(Fauci)" after "Pope Anthony".

The more you evade the issue of the massive scientific consensus arrayed against you on a global scale, the more obvious it is that you are aware of your own rhetorical failure.

Dr. Anthony Fauci is a leading expert in the field of epidemiology. His assessments and recommendations are fundamentally no different than those of the rest of the experts in that field world-wide. Representing him as a lone voice backed by no empirical evidence betrays a positively infantile ignorance of science. You are simply attempting to dodge that fact, because it makes you look like a bumpkin trying to overturn an entire field of science in which you have zero authority. Look at the same argumentation structure applied in another context:

Someone arguing that the earth is six thousand years old and that evolution doesn't exist, offering a nebulous claim that it is really attributed to "kinds", says, "anyone who accepts every bit of dogma from Pope Dawkins as gospel is an "Orthodox Evolutionist".

It's a very congruent analogy, because Richard Dawkins is simply a publicly known representative of a massive scientific consensus that would exist essentially the same without him. Additionally, I'm reminded of something Dawkins once wrote (paraphrasing) - "If the theory of evolution is ever overturned, it will be overturned by a biologist, not an idiot".
 
Carrot Flower King said:
That Merkinanian-centricity seems to be typical of a certain type of commenter and always tells me how seriously I should take what they say.
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It's certainly consistent with someone who visits some Chinese cities and then tries to pass himself off as an expert in Chinese economics.
 
jimbob said:
Have you actually looked at any data? Say the all-cause data for England and Wales (which I have going back to wk31, 1999):

[IMGW=640]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvURkZIXUAAK2cY?format=png&name=medium[/IMGW]


What happened in England and Wales in Spring 2020 that caused an unprecedented* spike in deaths which coincided with COVID-19 being mentioned on the death certificate?

What happened in winter 2020-21 which had the worst week this Century, except for spring 2020?

This four-plot shows weekly numbers on the top, and cumulative along the bottom, raw numbers on the left and excess from a baseline of the median for the week number for 1999-2021.

The year runs from wk31 to wk31, which also manages to split out the first and second waves into 2019-20 and 2020-21

Note how the second wave is almost as bad as the first as far as excess deaths are concerned (easiest to see in bottom right plot)

There are many countries for which this looks similar, including the US and Europe as a whole. Some countries with decent approaches haven't been affected so badly.
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But, Jim, you've used UK-ian data and everyone knows that only Merkinanian data has any real meaning and relevance, 'cos the rest of us can't actually exist...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
But, Jim, you've used UK-ian data and everyone knows that only Merkinanian data has any real meaning and relevance, 'cos the rest of us can't actually exist...
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And, as I pointed out upthread, the 500,000 American COVID deaths is the number to be quoted when making a point rather than the 2.5 million worldwide deaths. American deaths are just more important I guess.
 
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