An argument from personal incredulity vs . . . medical science. Hmmm, which one of these?
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An argument from personal incredulity vs . . . medical science. Hmmm, which one of these?
Foster Zygote
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In other words, you don't know "a lot" of people who have died or been made sick by social distancing. You lied. For all your dramatics, you haven't denied that you lied.
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Quote from opening of your comic's video "It is one more way they can take your liberty...."
No Tom. George Carlin is a stage comedian and not a scientist. Where does he predict 500,000 Americans would die?
What freedom did you lose compared to those 500,000 dead American citizens?
Reply using your own words Tom Palven.
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What was "hilarious" in the 2008 George Carlin video?
He said, in his 2008 stand up comedy routine, "that Americans are now scared of germs? Do you think that in 2021 that after 500,000 deaths "from germs", that Americans should not be scared of Covid-19?
Perhaps Tom Palven, Caroline13 and yourself could explain this, to us, as a team effort.
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I liked George Carlin's stand up but the man battled drug and alcohol addiction and died of heart failure when he was just 71, he's not exactly a reliable source of medical advice.
Germs have always been one of humanity's biggest killers, it makes sense to be scared of the potentially fatal ones, at least until you've been vaccinated against them.
Germs have always been one of humanity's biggest killers, it makes sense to be scared of the potentially fatal ones, at least until you've been vaccinated against them.
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he was humorous, but what else do you expect from drugs, and BS.
lol, an expert at humor... this is your evidence for germs... classic BS
After three court martials, lots of drugs, what do you expect... comedy... not evidence except for wild conspiracy theories about your fictional virus theories.
He's dodgy AF. And isn't above fudging his data.
https://twitter.com/ParkinJim/status/1363790390608953345
and my overlaying of the government data from that:
[IMGw=640]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu0ofLzWQAAQyQ1?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMGw]
ETA: Note that he uses *his* model and the data *(which he's done some silly smoothing to, if I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt)doesn't fit. But that's somehow suspicious and it's his (undisclosed) model which obviously reflects reality.
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Tom Palven
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It's too bad George is not around to comment on Pope Anthony (Fauci).
It could have been classic.
Pixel42
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My guess is Carlin would be making fun of people like you, rather than Fauci, Tom. His modern equivalents certainly are.
I guess it might evolve from this ( my take on an earlier analysis)
https://twitter.com/ParkinJim/status/1363157578834997249?s=20
And this very bad graph of his:
There are several things wrong with this (discussed in the thread) but notice how he has attributed the 2021 excess to either "unexplained" or "denial of healthcare" with nothing to do with COVID-19
This is what the raw weekly numbers in England and Wales look like running from wk10 to wk9 (to show the full effect of a year of Covid) and for 2014wk10 to 2021. With the 5 year average for 2015-2019 added in.
The red line is deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, i.e. as a contributory factor - and in the overwhelming majority of cases, the underlying cause, unlike with flu.
Note also the attributing of about a thousand "excess" deaths a week to denial of healthcare - including in the summer... when to quote an actual actuary:
https://twitter.com/longevitymatt/status/1363169369631645698?s=20
Joel Smalley's justification involved more technobabble than an episode of ST-TNG
Those deaths he's decided were due to denial of healthcare are just there to make it seem as though lockdown killed more than Covid.
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Pixel42
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"Denial of healthcare" is an odd one. Lack of capacity to treat other illnesses is due to the pandemic, not lockdown. Needing medical treatment has always been a valid reason to leave your home, even in the most stringent of lockdowns, but people are understandably reluctant to risk catching Covid and keep away from hospitals and surgeries, sometimes when they shouldn't. Lockdown, by stopping health services from being overwhelmed, has actually reduced the size of the problem.
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Indeed it is, but it's a way of blinding people with pseudoscience.
https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1363047463242915841
Why a two-factor polynomial (which I like to call a quadratic, as sounding less mysterious) instead of a 5-year average as used by the ONS? If you start getting more um... "sophisticated" why not see what actual professionals do.
And when your analysis disagrees with both a simple look at the data, and the full-on actuarial analyses, it's not them that's wrong.
ETA.
The whole, "Lockdown caused the NHS to be overwhelmed", at least that was the unspoken insinuation, seems to be the equivalent of "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams"
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Does concentrating your vitriol on Dr. Fauci help you to ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus, of which he is merely the most prominent public representative in the U.S.?
And while I certainly apprehend the devastating rhetorical power of derogatory nicknames, at least as far as the rubes are concerned (look to the reputation for public oratory of our last president), you're little different from a creationist incessantly referring to someone like Richard Dawkins as "Dick Dorkins", but never offering the slightest empirical evidence against the theory of evolution by natural selection.
And finally, I'd still like your take on how it is that you came to be so much smarter and more authoritative than virtually the entirety of the world's medical community.
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Seems awfully UScentric. Are you aware that there is an entire planet out there, full of people who know full well, without any involvement whatsoever of Dr Fauci, that there is a pandemic going on? And most countries are doing a significantly better job of dealing with the pandemic than the "land of the free", where denial is rampant.
George Carlin was a bright man and would have known these things. He would most certainly not have used you for source material.
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During Ebola, Fauci used to be quite the darling of the Right, because he gave them material to imply that Obama wasn't doing enough.
I don't know whether anyone made a fuss about it, but Covid-19 deaths in Germany are nearly 3 times that.
Lucky you. How many people do you know well enough that you would be informed if they were taken ill?
I know several people who have had Covid-19. Some have recovered fully, others have ongoing problems. I also know several people who have lost friends and relatives to it; the most recent friend of a friend to die is the guitarist Tony Morrison (aka Tony Perfect, aka Tony Feedback); he was 61 and otherwise fit, from what I've heard.
Many thanks for taking the time jimbob, and I also enjoyed this reference
ETA - more scepticism of the 'sceptic' here; https://twitter.com/_johnbye/status/1365650856566263809
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