Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

[threadworm]

I'll leave you

Please do.

 

[Hans]

I'll leave you

Thanks and don't forget NOT to come back.

Regards too to your buddy Odilo Globocnik.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Well, I see it is no longer a subject of interest. Too bad. I'll leave you with a website for the curiousand a vid that explains it all ...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ul72dV4SbAoh/

Saggy's links go direct to "HOLOHOAX 101 - INTRODUCTION TO THE HOLOHOAX"
"The holocaust is a preposterous hoax that is unsupported by any physical evidence. "

Saggy is simply spamming 1970's Holocaust Denial propaganda and pretending to forget that Staffordshire University and other universities collectively performed a forensic archaeological analysis of Treblinka II death camp and found the mass graves.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Since the entire holohoax is based on 'testimony' of Jewish eyewitnesses.......

and the testimony of SS guards and officers,
and the testimony of Polish civilians and rail operators,
and the physical mass graves,
and the body parts remaining in places like Treblinka II,
and the German documentation,
and post-war forensic investigations,
and Himmler's admission to genocide in the recorded Posen speech


....my point is that Saggy doesn't actually know anything about the holocaust.

Saggy is only here to spam pro-neo-Nazi propaganda.

 

[Hans]

and the testimony of SS guards and officers,
and the testimony of Polish civilians and rail operators,
and the physical mass graves,
and the body parts remaining in places like Treblinka II,
and the German documentation,
and post-war forensic investigations,
and Himmler's admission to genocide in the recorded Posen speech


....my point is that Saggy doesn't actually know anything about the holocaust.

Saggy is only here to spam pro-neo-Nazi propaganda.

Is that surprising?

There was another fellow who use to fly in and out of here dropping drivel but never responding to questions. What was him name Monduct or Mondaile or something?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

There was another fellow who use to fly in and out of here dropping drivel but never responding to questions. What was him name Monduct or Mondaile or something?

Mondail and MAGZ (Missile at Ground Zero).

I think the psychology is that these blokes buy the pamphlets from people like Bradley Smith and then copy the contents onto forums thinking it must be true because they paid money.

However Bradley Smith and the older controlling holocaust deniers are dead or dying, so there is a lack of new content. That's why all the current holocaust denial propaganda smells like it is recycled from the 70's and 80's.

 

[Hans]

Mondail and MAGZ (Missile at Ground Zero).

I think the psychology is that these blokes buy the pamphlets from people like Bradley Smith and then copy the contents onto forums thinking it must be true because they paid money.

However Bradley Smith and the older controlling holocaust deniers are dead or dying, so there is a lack of new content. That's why all the current holocaust denial propaganda smells like it is recycled from the 70's and 80's.

Good point I've noted a decidedly sharp drop off in the 'spiel' wasn't sure if it was me being better at avoiding it or those odd folks segregating themselves on specialty websites.

Nope dying off.

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Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

 

[Mondial]

Where is the holohoax discussion?

Netflix produced a show about the prosecution of John Demjanjuk called The Devil Next Door. There is a discussion and critique here -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13634

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Netflix produced a show about the prosecution of John Demjanjuk called The Devil Next Door. There is a discussion and critique here -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13634

You have linked to the extreme right wing holocaust denial forum "Committee for Open Discussion of the Holocaust" which denies and ignores that Treblinka II was forensically investigated and the mass graves found.

You did because COHOH was banned from You tube and other media platforms for promoting hate speech. You are trying to direct traffic to CODOH to get around those bans.

 

[EtienneSC]

Hello,

I posted on this forum around 2017, but left for personal reasons. There was some lively discussion and I found my thinking challenged at times. Looking at recent posts though, the discussion seems to be mostly of a general nature rather than getting to any hard facts. Have I missed anything much? I assume that looking at CODOH and Holocaust Controversies and the odd journal contents page would keep me abreast of anything significant.The main change seems to be the increase in censorship of revisionism in the interim.

I can't promise to post here often, but would appreciate any info on the back story that I've missed over the last four years.

My general view is that the revisionist case has been made and is slowly percolating though society. The main exception is the shootings in the East, which Himmler's Posen and Sondhofen speeches seem to confirm, though not the scale.

 

[dudalb]

Hello,

I posted on this forum around 2017, but left for personal reasons. There was some lively discussion and I found my thinking challenged at times. Looking at recent posts though, the discussion seems to be mostly of a general nature rather than getting to any hard facts. Have I missed anything much? I assume that looking at CODOH and Holocaust Controversies and the odd journal contents page would keep me abreast of anything significant.The main change seems to be the increase in censorship of revisionism in the interim.

I can't promise to post here often, but would appreciate any info on the back story that I've missed over the last four years.

My general view is that the revisionist case has been made and is slowly percolating though society. The main exception is the shootings in the East, which Himmler's Posen and Sondhofen speeches seem to confirm, though not the scale.

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Not off to a good start, are we?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Oh gods another one.

 

[Pacal]

EtienneSC is simply here to press the reset button for the 99th or 10,000th or 100,000th time, like all revisionists do.

Of course since EtienneSC left the last time the revisionist / denial case has gotten more threadbare more stupid then it was then. (Hard has it is to believe that something so already braindead could get worst!)

My general view is that so-called revisionists are A), dying off, B), getting increasingly deranged and idiotic in their arguments and C), the scholarly mask is more and more coming off to reveal the anti semitic idiots underneath.

The revisionist case, (Lying conspiracy theory paranoia with a massive dose of racism.), has not been made it has been refuted and annihilated again and again and belongs with nonsense like the Flat Earth, Creationism, Crystal healing etc.

The number of serious Academics and Researchers who take them seriously is miniscule. Of course they continue their lying propaganda and continue to portray themselves has martyrs etc. Their victim complex is amusing.

So sorry the "happy day" that revisionists envision when Jews are viewed by practically everyone has satanic, lying anti-humans doesn't look like it will ever come. I hope that this frustration causes revisionists pain.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Hello, I posted on this forum around 2017, but left for personal reasons.

I already know you from the anti-holocaust-denial sub forum at the Skeptic Society forum.

... the discussion seems to be mostly of a general nature rather than getting to any hard facts.

Shall we start with the hard facts from Dr Colls forensic investigation of Treblinka II?

The main change seems to be the increase in censorship of revisionism in the interim.

CODOH isn't censored is it? Private companies can do what they wan't. In reality holocaust denial simply died out as a ridiculous cult.

My general view is that the revisionist case has been made and is slowly percolating though society.

Dr Colls and I laugh at you.

 

[Hans]

My general view is that the revisionist case has been made and is slowly percolating though society.

By percolating do you mean flowing into the septic tank? Well, yes that is pretty much what happened.

Denialism died you didn't notice?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

I still find the revisionism mindset very strange.

Looking at the sites they quote they truly and utterly despise Jews and wish they'd all die.
Yet they then seek to deny that the one event that actually acted on their vile wish.

No Nazi leader involved in the Holocaust was ashamed of this. They were proud and since Holocaust deniers seek the same goal, why deny it happened?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I still find the revisionism mindset very strange.

I believe, that over the last five years, most of the cranks and lunatics, that were looking for a fascist cause, joined the Trump cult. Now that has ended, I expected a return of those same cranks to holocaust denial. Thus, here is Stephen (Étienne) again. Thus we have anti-vaxxers posting again. Thus we have frustrated Qanon fans posting about numerology again.

I've been waiting and I'm ready. I will inform my good friends from the anti-holocaust denial sub forum at the SSF (Skeptic Society forum) that Stephen is going to present his "evidence".

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So Étienne? What was the capacity of the water tower at Treblinka II? Tell us how it quenched the thirst of 20,000 arriving people a day?

 

[EtienneSC]

EtienneSC is simply here to press the reset button for the 99th or 10,000th or 100,000th time, like all revisionists do.

Indeed, there's no point rehashing old material. However, there have been some developments over the last few years. The British Psychological Warfare Executive files from the war have been released under the 70 year rule, for example, and there is an academic project to review them.

Of course since EtienneSC left the last time the revisionist / denial case has gotten more threadbare more stupid then it was then. (Hard has it is to believe that something so already braindead could get worst!)

How has this happened?

My general view is that so-called revisionists are A), dying off, B), getting increasingly deranged and idiotic in their arguments and C), the scholarly mask is more and more coming off to reveal the anti semitic idiots underneath.

Yes, we're all dying off. Robert Faurisson died in 2019 for example.

The revisionist case, (Lying conspiracy theory paranoia with a massive dose of racism.), has not been made it has been refuted and annihilated again and again and belongs with nonsense like the Flat Earth, Creationism, Crystal healing etc.

Good, Have their been any scholarly refutations in the last 4 years. What are they?

The number of serious Academics and Researchers who take them seriously is miniscule. Of course they continue their lying propaganda and continue to portray themselves has martyrs etc. Their victim complex is amusing.

There have been a few retired academics who have expressed a degree of support for revisionism in the last few years, but of course it is career suicide within western academia for people with salaries.

So sorry the "happy day" that revisionists envision when Jews are viewed by practically everyone has satanic, lying anti-humans doesn't look like it will ever come. I hope that this frustration causes revisionists pain.

I appreciate that you have a kind of Kommando comics view of the issue as a contest of goodies and baddies in which you are the goodies.

 

[EtienneSC]

I already know you from the anti-holocaust-denial sub forum at the Skeptic Society forum.

Likewise. You're still here! - I admire your stamina in the struggle against absolute evil.

Shall we start with the hard facts from Dr Colls forensic investigation of Treblinka II?

No, that's old hat, unless there's something more recent than her doctoral thesis and book. MGK replied to it at the time.

CODOH isn't censored is it? Private companies can do what they wan't. In reality holocaust denial simply died out as a ridiculous cult.

Governments too. CODOH is moderated, sometimes too harshly Id say.

Dr Colls and I laugh at you.

You can't speak for her. She has published two books since 2015. I note she says in one: "Ironically, new information and sources of use to archaeologists and historians often come to light as a result of these interactions [with revisionists], given that revisionists are often meticulous in their research activities." (Holocaust Archaeologies, 2015, page 349). She has jointly published a briefer book about the related exhibition, Treblinka: Archaeological and Artistic Responses, (2016) since then. She has a further relevant book forthcoming.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

No, that's old hat, unless there's something more recent than her doctoral thesis and book. MGK replied to it at the time..

Stop wasting our time.

Are you denying Treblinka II was an extermination camp? Yes or No?