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Cont: [ED] Discussion: Trans Women are not Women (Part 5)

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Sherkeu said:
Yaniv and the TRA lobby agree on the rights for the most part. The right to a 'female' scrotum wax from immigrant women was, I think, a bridge too far perhaps and why it got the most attention for how ridiculous it was....way more attention than his pervy texts with underage girls asking about how he might see them naked in a bathroom or locker room.

For example, both the TRA and Yaniv against locker room privacy restrictions that could the transgirls/women feel like they had to take additional precautions that the females did not. Same hill, but different reasons for climbing it.

Yaniv is so shameless in his response:

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Are you accusing the TRAs of being in favor of child porn?

There are rights and there are anti-rights. NTTSM. Definitions matter.
 
I'm with Collin on this one. This Yaniv person is just accross the board awful and having to hear about these antics in the middle of a serious discussion is like having someone discover and post PETA 'having pets is exactly like the Holocaust' comics and examples of PETA's disgusting treatment of actual animals, in an animal welfare thread.

I don't care if PETA thinks it's a real animal welfare org and it's a shame it has enough support from whoever the hell is supporting it that it still gets to be on the planet doing its ridicuous thing.

Same with Yaniv.
 
Collin237 said:
Are you accusing the TRAs of being in favor of child porn?
There are rights and there are anti-rights. NTTSM. Definitions matter.
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Total Non-Sequitur. And no clue what your acronym or reference to definitions follows what I posted. Yo no hablo Collin-ese.

I'd ask you to explain but I really don't want views about child porn mucking up discussions more than pervy Yaniv already did.
 
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Sherkeu said:
Total Non-Sequitur. And no clue what your acronym or reference to definitions follows what I posted. Yo no hablo Collin-ese.

I'd ask you to explain but I really don't want views about child porn mucking up discussions more than pervy Yaniv already did.
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You do realize that Lithrael explained exactly what I meant 25 minutes before you posted this, right?
 
Olmstead said:
Honestly, agender and/or gender fluid makes more sense to me than transgenderism, as it simply removes the vague concept of gender altogether.
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Agreed, it can exist alongside sex based rights with limited conflict.

However it directly conflicts with most of the arguments based on gender dysphoria.
 
Lithrael said:
I'm with Collin on this one. This Yaniv person is just accross the board awful and having to hear about these antics in the middle of a serious discussion is like having someone discover and post PETA 'having pets is exactly like the Holocaust' comics and examples of PETA's disgusting treatment of actual animals, in an animal welfare thread.

I don't care if PETA thinks it's a real animal welfare org and it's a shame it has enough support from whoever the hell is supporting it that it still gets to be on the planet doing its ridicuous thing.

Same with Yaniv.
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It would be quite relevant in an animal welfare thread if the government was supporting PETA's push to stop people having pets lest they be found guilty for Holocaust participation. Let's not forget that it was eventually the judiciary in Canada which put a stop to Yanniv's antics, the government's gender equality commissioner was fully with him in his "human right struggle" to get his balls waxed up until the point the judiciary ruled against it and they made a 180.
 
caveman1917 said:
It would be quite relevant in an animal welfare thread if the government was supporting PETA's push to stop people having pets lest they be found guilty for Holocaust participation. Let's not forget that it was eventually the judiciary in Canada which put a stop to Yanniv's antics, the government's gender equality commissioner was fully with him in his "human right struggle" to get his balls waxed up until the point the judiciary ruled against it and they made a 180.
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Maryam Monsef?
 
Lithrael said:
I'm with Collin on this one. This Yaniv person is just accross the board awful and having to hear about these antics in the middle of a serious discussion is like having someone discover and post PETA 'having pets is exactly like the Holocaust' comics and examples of PETA's disgusting treatment of actual animals, in an animal welfare thread.

I don't care if PETA thinks it's a real animal welfare org and it's a shame it has enough support from whoever the hell is supporting it that it still gets to be on the planet doing its ridicuous thing.

Same with Yaniv.
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Nutpicking is a bad-faith tactic, and despite this point being repeatedly made, several anti-trans voices on this alleged skeptics forum continue to do it.

Expect more anecdotes of Twitter slap-fights from nameless, faceless nobodies and tales of (unsuccessful) frivolous litigation from Yaniv to be presented as meaningful data points.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Nutpicking is a bad-faith tactic, and despite this point being repeatedly made, several anti-trans voices on this alleged skeptics forum continue to do it.
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When changing legal regimes it is legitimate to ask how far a highly-motivated litigant would be able to get under the new system. Calling that "nutpicking" strikes me as mistaken at best.
 
Boudicca90 said:
My rights and my equality as a woman are not up for negotiation or compromise, this is true.

It's like a Black person finally convincing a racist during Jim Crow that Black and white people should not be segregated, but the racist still does not support interracial relationships.

There should be no halfway tolerance and acceptance for our existence.

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If people treat you the same way that they treat me, does that mean that I'm not tolerated or accepted? No. The sticking point is "as a woman". That isn't in any way, shape, or form equivalent to Jim Crow. Black people were not demanding to be accepted as white people, they were demanding to be accepted as people. You aren't demanding to be accepted as a person, but as a woman. But I can't make that demand. Why do you get to?
 
d4m10n said:
When changing legal regimes it is legitimate to ask how far a highly-motivated litigant would be able to get under the new system. Calling that "nutpicking" strikes me as mistaken at best.
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Yaniv's litigation failed. Why is she still relevant?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Seems they'll have to try a different loophole, this one didn't work.
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Like I said, and you apparently didn't notice, it isn't primarily about the lawsuits.

If Yaniv wants to enter a women's bathroom or changing room, can he be prevented from doing so? I don't see how. And if he can't be, well, I'm not sure how you argue that the loophole isn't vulnerable to exploit.
 
Ziggurat said:
Like I said, and you apparently didn't notice, it isn't primarily about the lawsuits.

If Yaniv wants to enter a women's bathroom or changing room, can he be prevented from doing so? I don't see how. And if he can't be, well, I'm not sure how you argue that the loophole isn't vulnerable to exploit.
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Is there any reason to believe Yaniv's trans status is insincere?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Is there any reason to believe Yaniv's trans status is insincere?
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Yes, there's some reason to believe so, such as the timing and circumstances of his transition. It's not conclusive, though.

But whether or not his trans status is sincere seems like the wrong question, in fact. There is no established test for that which the legal system of Canada can use as a filter. So how would the sincerity (or not) of his trans status make any difference? How would it make any difference to any other predator?
 
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