Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

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Gaetan said:
The more lock up, the more people die, that's just common sense and the study confirms that.
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Nope.

The more sanitary mesures the more people die, that just common sense,
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Nope. This is a lie, and the opposite of common sense. I work at a hotel. We have implemented strict cleaning, and sanitation rules. The only member of our entire staff who had to quarantine was exposed at a family Christmas party.


they almost shut down the hospitals, they can't work with half the staff, that's what they did, the more sanitary mesures the more people die, it is just common sense, the decisions were taken by incompetent or corrupted people.
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The only hostpitals "shut down" were those overrun by COVID-19 cases.


The olders are the victimes of corruption,
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If you mean victims of stupid people who didn't wear masks or practice social distancing then yes.

China cures covid with plants and vitamins and there are hundred of thousands of less victimes.
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This is a huge lie.

China had fewer victims because the locked down the entire country for weeks. Anyone caught outside of their homes or apartments was arrested. Food and supplies were delivered by the government on a schedule. When they lifted their lockdown it was done with a mask order and with social distancing - both enforced by jail time.

The difference is that Chinese citizens are better educated, and understand the stakes and the personal responsibility needed to prevent outbreaks of COVID-19.

It's amazing what people with basic intelligence can accomplish.

For doctors in US any plants or vitamins are useless because pharmas can't put them under patent, the whole medical system is deeply corrupted.
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You left out Voodoo and Witchcraft.
 
eerok said:
It gets worse.

Iran cleric: People who are vaccinated for COVID have ‘become homosexuals’
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[CIA Headquarters, Langley, VA]

DCI: If only there was some way to thin out the population of Iran.

Iranian Desk: We could get a cleric to make charges that the COVID-19 vaccines turns you gay.

DCI: Brilliant!

[Ministry of State Security, China, on a conference call with the Russian FSB Chairman, January, 2020]

MSS: If only there was some way to thin out the population of the United States.

FSB: We'll use our man in the White House, and Fox News to down-play the threat of COVID-19.

MSS: Brilliant! But why is your man in the White House calling it the Chinese Virus?

FSB: What can you do? The guy thinks China is in South America.
 
Gaetan said:
People can say whatever they want but i only care about what is science and what the science says is that lock down has an opposite effect, more covid.
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No, you only car about what you want science to say. So when it doesn't oblige you, you just pretend that it does.
 
Gaetan said:
i only care about what is science and what the science says is that lock down has an opposite effect, more covid.
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Clearly, these are lies. Ridiculously obvious lies.

To be perfectly clear, the study that you're trying to use to back up your claims doesn't even remotely say what you claim that it says - and, in fact, opposes your claims. You would have known this from the start if you actually cared about the science. That's before getting to everything else.
 
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Gaetan said:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/s...ffect-in-reducing-covid-19-may-even-spread-it
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You have linked to an opinion piece by the extreme right wing Canadian "LifeSiteNews":eek:

"Campaign Life Coalition founded LifeSiteNews in 1997. The website was founded with the intent to promote anti-abortion views"

The Campaign Life Coalition (sometimes shortened to Campaign Life) is a Canadian political lobbyist organization founded in 1978.[1] Based in Toronto, the organization advocates for socially conservative values.[2] It opposes abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, assisted reproductive technologies, same-sex marriage, and gender identity legislation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Life_Coalition
 
Gaetan said:
You can get that virus a mile away, if you are locked down in a house and one guy have the virus every one will get it, the study said that is the opposite of what they want, they are more infected, it is just common sense. I don't make one big grocery, i do it when i have the opportunity as most people do.
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Yes well, you're doing it wrong. There's this pandemic thing and you need to alter how you do things to minimize your risks. You can go back to shopping like that after the pandemic if you like.
 
Gaetan said:
People can say whatever they want but i only care about what is science and what the science says is that lock down has an opposite effect, more covid.
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No, you don't like the look downs so you went on the internet and found the first thing that would justify not doing them. There was no science involved in your googling.
 
Axxman300 said:
[CIA Headquarters, Langley, VA]

DCI: If only there was some way to thin out the population of Iran.

Iranian Desk: We could get a cleric to make charges that the COVID-19 vaccines turns you gay.

DCI: Brilliant!

[Ministry of State Security, China, on a conference call with the Russian FSB Chairman, January, 2020]

MSS: If only there was some way to thin out the population of the United States.

FSB: We'll use our man in the White House, and Fox News to down-play the threat of COVID-19.

MSS: Brilliant! But why is your man in the White House calling it the Chinese Virus?

FSB: What can you do? The guy thinks China is in South America.
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Nice sketch, but I understand that Iran is using the Russian vaccine right now, and will be switching to its own, domestically-produced one in the near future.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Nice sketch, but I understand that Iran is using the Russian vaccine right now, and will be switching to its own, domestically-produced one in the near future.
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I think there is some reasonable concern about the Russian vaccine. But it's unlikely to make you gay.
 
Professor John Loannidis is a respected epidiologist all over the world if is not the best one and the lock down has the opposite effect or is not justified and also sanitary mesures. Beside that the true figure of the efficacity of the vaccines is not 90% but 0% or less, then Fauci should have the pharmas to give countries their money back. The mossad is in panic right now, almost all the population was vaccinated but the number of covid cases rise up.
 
Gaetan said:
Professor John Loannidis is a respected epidiologist all over the world if is not the best one
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What about the thousands of respected epidemiologists who think Ioannidis is wrong? You say you care about science, but it's obvious you don't care enough to learn the most basic things about how it works.
 
Gaetan said:
Professor John Loannidis is a respected epidiologist all over the world if is not the best one
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And, so far, it looks like the only reason that you're saying that is because you think that he's supporting what you're trying to push. He's not.

He clearly is opposed to lockdowns, yes, but your claims go way past that.

Gaetan said:
and the lock down has the opposite effect or is not justified and also sanitary mesures. Beside that the true figure of the efficacity of the vaccines is not 90% but 0% or less, then Fauci should have the pharmas to give countries their money back. The mossad is in panic right now, almost all the population was vaccinated but the number of covid cases rise up.
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On the other hand...

Vaccines are curbing COVID: Data from Israel show drop in infections
The country is the first to see a direct effect of vaccines working in such a large group of people.

Real world data is messy, of course, though, as the article delves into further. Added to that, though, is that vaccines take time to take effect and, despite how successful Israel has been in getting people vaccinated, the highest reported estimate that I'm seeing is that, as of today, 60% of Israel has been vaccinated, albeit without the vaccine having had time to take effect yet for likely most of that group. That's not even at herd immunity levels yet, even if it were to magically become fully effective immediately, let alone "almost all the population."
 
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Gaetan said:
Professor John Loannidis is a respected epidiologist all over the world if is not the best one and the lock down has the opposite effect or is not justified and also sanitary mesures. Beside that the true figure of the efficacity of the vaccines is not 90% but 0% or less, then Fauci should have the pharmas to give countries their money back. The mossad is in panic right now, almost all the population was vaccinated but the number of covid cases rise up.
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https://www.wired.com/story/prophet-of-scientific-rigor-and-a-covid-contrarian/

He has seen recognition for his "meta-science" criticisms, yes.

His reputation over the last year has plummeted as he has repeatedly championed against sensible measures with the same unrepentant certitude he once decried.

I hope his consolation prize was worth it.
 
Gaetan said:
Professor John Loannidis is a respected epidiologist all over the world if is not the best one and the lock down has the opposite effect or is not justified and also sanitary mesures. Beside that the true figure of the efficacity of the vaccines is not 90% but 0% or less, then Fauci should have the pharmas to give countries their money back. The mossad is in panic right now, almost all the population was vaccinated but the number of covid cases rise up.
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Professor Ioannidis (that's an "I" not an "L" for those who want to look him up) is indeed a respected epidemiologist (that's with an "m" in it for those with the patience to check their spelling) and did indeed contribute to a study suggesting that the statistics used by many are poorly gathered and not rigorous. He did not say what you think he said, although he is a critic of lockdowns. He did not, as far as I can see, suggest that sanitary measures are wrong, nor, as far as I can see, has he suggested that vaccines are ineffective. What he has suggested, a notion shared by many who consider the Covid epidemic quite real enough, is that the negative consequences of a lockdown might end up with a net loss of life owing to other factors. Here's how an article in Scientific American puts it:

Ioannidis’ views on lockdowns, far from aligning with a Trumpian desire to benefit Wall Street, are consistent with his longstanding body of work, which has regularly pointed out how researchers often downplay or ignore the harms of medical interventions. As he wrote to a private list of doctors and researchers, “Locking ourselves in our beautiful mansions and continuing with our videoconferences practically does nothing for nursing homes and chronically badly prepared hospitals . . . It also kills the poor, the disadvantaged . . .” He has cautioned that protracted lockdown will cause starvation, violence, poverty, and deaths that could exceed the number of lives saved by avoiding Covid-19 infections.
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Now just where the lines are drawn here may be arguable, but it is absolutely not true that Ioannidis believes that the infections are not real, or that the lockdowns do not prevent them, nor is there any evidence he believes vaccines are ineffective or that the virus itself is a hoax, or any of the other bat-crap crazy stuff being touted here.
 
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