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Cont: [ED] Discussion: Trans Women are not Women (Part 5)

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Emily's Cat said:
I have an emotional stake in this topic as well, and coming up against opposition that I perceive as being misogynistic and derisive of women has shifted me further away from the supportive position I started out in.
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Why can't you accept the possibility that that's the way activist capital wants women to react?
 
Aber said:
No it doesn't because they haven't done any surveys based on gender; they're all done on the basis of sex.

There will be a gender question on the 2021 census but it will be voluntary.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/censustransformationprogramme/questiondevelopment/sexandgenderidentityquestiondevelopmentforcensus2021
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I thought there was reason to suspect that it does affect crime statistics... as they are now recording crimes on the basis of the perpetrator's identified gender rather than their sex?
 
Collin237 said:
Why can't you accept the possibility that that's the way activist capital wants women to react?
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I will entertain that notion. What would be the objective? What would they be trying to accomplish by gaslighting everyone and putting policies in place that increase risk to women?

It seems like a very convoluted way to go about, well, anything. Maybe there's an end game there that makes sense, but I'm not currently seeing it.
 
Collin237 said:
It's a stunt. It'll never pass.
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The SNP plus the Greens have an absolute majority. The Greens are even more woke than the SNP. If they want it to pass, it will pass. There is a school of thought that another reason for withdrawing the amendment was to placate the Greens to secure their support for the SNP budget.

I live here sunshine. You worry about what Biden is planning.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Even I don't know what you're referring to. Can you find the post and give us a link, please?
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Sorry. It was Aber, not you.

GOOD PRACTICES FOR NGO ADVOCACY
1. Target youth politicians
2.De-medicalise the campaign
3. Use case studies of real people
4.Anonymise the narratives
5.Get ahead of the government agenda and the media story
6.Use human rights as a campaign point
7. Tie your campaign to more popular reform
8.Avoid excessive press coverage and exposure
Another technique which has been used to great effect is the limitation of press coverage and exposure.
9.Carpe diem
10. Work together
11. Be wary of compromise
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Aber said:
Some of those are classic entryist tactics; not tactics designed to get a reaction from women.



ie they don't want women/feminists to know what they're doing.
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This is like Charlotte's Web. Its impact comes from how improbable it is. If you saw it out of context, you'd assume it's someone pointing out an alleged entryist scheme of their opponent. Instead, you're seeing it in the context of someone recommending it for their own organization. The cognitive dissonance leads you to perceive it as a disembodied fact, rather than a message that somebody is giving you.
 
Aber said:
No it doesn't because they haven't done any surveys based on gender; they're all done on the basis of sex.

There will be a gender question on the 2021 census but it will be voluntary.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/censustransformationprogramme/questiondevelopment/sexandgenderidentityquestiondevelopmentforcensus2021
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I think the Office of National Statistics does more than conduct surveys. For example, a list is provided here of all the different places they get data from:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/methodologytopicsandstatisticalconcepts/admindatasources

For a more specific example, here's a report on data quality for statistical estimates of "small area income":

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentan...esqualityassuranceofadministrativedataoct2016

Section 2 of the report includes a list of data sources for this estimate. None of the data is sourced from surveys conducted by the ONS. Two of the sources, "Department for Work and Pensions - benefit claimant data" and "Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs - Child and Working Tax Credit data" seem like they could potentially generate questionable statistics unless the gender/sex question is properly accounted for by those agencies when they produce the data.
 
Aber said:
That's individual police forces rather than the ONS.
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The ONS will inherit this data problem from the individual police forces, when they go to assemble statistical reports about crime trends in the UK, from data provided by the police forces.

ETA. From the data sources list referenced above, lines 119-122 list "Police Recorded Crime" as a data source, provided by the Home Office. So I think it's going to be a problem at every level of UK crime reporting.
 
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