Split Thread A second impeachment

[Stacyhs]

Like I said in another post if you do something and there is no consequence there is absolutely no reason to not do it again, so it's emboldening the actions at best, letting it serve as a training exercise / trail run at best.'

"Actions have consequences" is a concept we had to remind people exists.

Now, now, Joe...Republicans aren't saying that Trump should face no consequence at all. Some are saying he should be censured. I mean, don't you think being censured would be enough to prevent all future presidents from trying to destroy our faith in our election system by overturning an election with lies and then inciting an insurrection?



(Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)

 

[Andy_Ross]

Marco Rubio tweeted

@marcorubio
Waste of time impeachment isn’t about accountability

It’s about demands from vengeance from the radical left

And a new “show” for the “Political Entertainment Industry”

 

[Crossbow]

Marco Rubio tweeted

@marcorubio
Waste of time impeachment isn’t about accountability

It’s about demands from vengeance from the radical left

And a new “show” for the “Political Entertainment Industry”

With toady statements like this, I can just imagine how Rubio will be crowing about how he so bravely and loudly defended poor, oppressed, Donald Trump when Rubio makes his run for President in 2024.

 

[turingtest]

Marco Rubio tweeted

@marcorubio
Waste of time impeachment isn’t about accountability

It’s about demands from vengeance from the radical left

And a new “show” for the “Political Entertainment Industry”

There will never be accountability as long as there's someone like you blocking it by framing a call for it as nothing but a "show." Man up, Little Marco- your party nominated and elected a man to the Presidency who never gave a single damn about anything but how it profited him and his ego, and showed that between the election in November and the count on Jan 6. He needs to be held accountable for that, and so do you- it's not "vengeance" just because it's the other side demanding that the party of "personal responsibility" take some.

 

[Craig4]

With toady statements like this, I can just imagine how Rubio will be crowing about how he so bravely and loudly defended poor, oppressed, Donald Trump when Rubio makes his run for President in 2024.

I'm going to laugh if Trump or one of the nits who grew into lice runs against Rubio in his Senate primary.

 

[Firestone]

Marco Rubio tweeted

@marcorubio
Waste of time impeachment isn’t about accountability

It’s about demands from vengeance from the radical left

And a new “show” for the “Political Entertainment Industry”

I'm going to laugh if Trump or one of the nits who grew into lice runs against Rubio in his Senate primary.

Someone on Twitter: "Florida Senator uses coded language to beg daughter of local mafia figure to not hurt him and take his lunch money."

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

My old email address that got all the Trump campaign emails has started getting near-daily emails from Nikki Haley. These seem to be clearly aimed at a 2024 presidential run building on Trump's base.

It struck me that she must be praying every night that Trump is convicted. If she has to face Trump in the primary, Trump will see her as an enemy and she'll lose his base even if she wins the primary. But if Trump can't run, then she's a loyal, attractive woman and Trump will support her.

A lot of other Republicans are probably thinking similar thoughts. If Trump can enter the 2024 Republican primary, it may be very difficult for any Republican to win the general election.

And I bet Republicans would like to prove how progressive they really are by being the party to elect the first woman president.

 

[zooterkin]

And I bet Republicans would like to prove how progressive they really are by being the party to elect the first woman president.

The same way that only the Tories have had woman PMs in the UK?

 

[zooterkin]

45 senators voted to dismiss the impeachment, which doesn’t look good for conviction. McConnell was one of them.

 

[Segnosaur]

45 senators voted to dismiss the impeachment, which doesn’t look good for conviction. McConnell was one of them.

That should come as no surprise to anyone. (But then, at least they will still get various republicans on record as approving of Trump's actions...)

The only republicans that voted in favor of proceeding with the impeachment trial were:
Ben Sasse of Nebraska
Susan Collins of Maine
Mitt Romney of Utah
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

 

[No Other]

That should come as no surprise to anyone. (But then, at least they will still get various republicans on record as approving of Trump's actions...)

The only republicans that voted in favor of proceeding with the impeachment trial were:
Ben Sasse of Nebraska
Susan Collins of Maine
Mitt Romney of Utah
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Knowing this a failed attempt prior to the trial, gives Trump Supporters power. It wastes monies that can be better spent and time that we will never get back. This entire process is political and not meant for justice or closure. It just keeps Trump as a distraction and provides him with a platform.

Remember how the Dems got greater momentum when Trump was stopped at every court? The same is going to happen with Trump and all of this can be prevented.

Biden spoke about Unity in his inauguration yet immediately supported a divisive action that is confusing and contradictory.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Knowing this a failed attempt prior to the trial, gives Trump Supporters power. It wastes monies that can be better spent and time that we will never get back. This entire process is political and not meant for justice or closure. It just keeps Trump as a distraction and provides him with a platform.

Remember how the Dems got greater momentum when Trump was stopped at every court? The same is going to happen with Trump and all of this can be prevented.

Biden spoke about Unity in his inauguration yet immediately supported a divisive action that is confusing and contradictory.

Yeah, no.

 

[No Other]

And I bet Republicans would like to prove how progressive they really are by being the party to elect the first woman president.

Republicans, at one time, were progressive.

Margaret Chase Smith, a Republican from Maine, ran for President in 1964, was the first woman to serve in both houses of Congress, and she provided civility in the middle of the Cold War.

OSHA and EPA were created under the Republican Administration (1970)... Nixon was not popular on either side of the aisle.

There are many other developments but the Republicans did an about face when Ronald Reagan took office... Cheney and Rumsfeld are directly responsible for this 180 turn.

 

[turingtest]

45 senators voted to dismiss the impeachment, which doesn’t look good for conviction. McConnell was one of them.

That should come as no surprise to anyone. (But then, at least they will still get various republicans on record as approving of Trump's actions...)

The only republicans that voted in favor of proceeding with the impeachment trial were:
Ben Sasse of Nebraska
Susan Collins of Maine
Mitt Romney of Utah
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Apparently Senator Rand Paul gave what I've seen described as a "fiery" speech, hitting the usual tropes- "Impeachment is for removal from office, he's already out," "Democrats being divisive!" and so on.

So, we have a guy whose policy for the last five years has been dividing America into "me!" and "everyone else!" The GOP saw how that was working for him, and decided that they needed to kiss his butt so they could crowd into his "me!" tent, and damn everyone else- the MSM became the enemy of the state, and Democrats automatically "the radical left." Then the guy they'd nurtured for four years, in the name of tax cuts for the corporate rich and conservative judges, and hoping he (and his proudly deplorable base) wouldn't turn on them, lost an election and spent two months whining, lying about, and trying to fix it, topping it off with a speech that only a complete ******* moron wouldn't realize would have the effect it did, indeed, have...

...and it's the Democrats who are being divisive, because they they think the guy should be held accountable, and the party who raised him up and then supported him, for the most part without question, should show a little sense of responsibility for having done so, and maybe a little understanding, on a basic "Senators should know this stuff"- level, that removal isn't the only thing impeachment can result in. As long as they worry about being primaried by Trump and his base, to the point that that's their only consideration, he will continue to be in a position to do so, and, in another four years, potentially even more so. For all the talk I've seen from Trumpers about how Trump is living rent-free in the heads of libs, that is really giving him the keys to the house.

 

[acbytesla]

Republicans, at one time, were progressive.

Margaret Chase Smith, a Republican from Maine, ran for President in 1964, was the first woman to serve in both houses of Congress, and she provided civility in the middle of the Cold War.

OSHA and EPA were created under the Republican Administration (1970)... Nixon was not popular on either side of the aisle.

There are many other developments but the Republicans did an about face when Ronald Reagan took office... Cheney and Rumsfeld are directly responsible for this 180 turn.

Not just them. The coalition with the evangelical right coincided with the Reagan administration.

The Republican party was much different in the past. Without Northern Republicans the Civil Rights Acts would never have passed. On taxation, and infrastructure, one should look at the 50s when the highest marginal tax rate was 90 percent. In fact it was a Democratic POTUS (JFK) that reduced that rate. Eisenhower also pushed and passed the Interstate Highway Act. Pete McCloskey one of my favorite Republicans was one the most passionate Republicans ever on the Environment. Nixon created the EPA and signed both the Clean Air and Clean Water Act. Barry Goldwater was against discrimination against homosexuals in the Military. The GOP was also quite mixed about abortion rights. Before 1980 there was almost as many pro choice Republicans as Democrats.

I was heavily involved in Democratic politics in the late 70s and early 80s. But back in those days things really were much more civil. One of my closest friends was the leader of the UW Young Republicans. You could have a spirited policy discussions over a beer in those days with the loyal opposition.

 

[Stacyhs]

Once again, 45 Republican senators show they are spineless cowards and care more about their own ambitions and party than their country. Shame on them. This is why I hold the GOP in nothing but utter contempt.

They impeach Clinton for lying about a blow job, but refuse to hold Trump responsible for lying about "mail in ballot fraud", for trying to overturn a legitimate election because he cannot accept losing, for trying to force a governor and state AG to "find" enough votes to overturn that state's election, for lying about a "rigged election" and inciting a crowd to walk "with him" to the Capitol to "fight like hell" and not let the "steal" the election.
No, that is ok with them.

 

[Stacyhs]

Not just them. The coalition with the evangelical right coincided with the Reagan administration.

The Republican party was much different in the past. Without Northern Republicans the Civil Rights Acts would never have passed. On taxation, and infrastructure, one should look at the 50s when the highest marginal tax rate was 90 percent. In fact it was a Democratic POTUS (JFK) that reduced that rate. Eisenhower also pushed and passed the Interstate Highway Act. Pete McCloskey one of my favorite Republicans was one the most passionate Republicans ever on the Environment. Nixon created the EPA and signed both the Clean Air and Clean Water Act. Barry Goldwater was against discrimination against homosexuals in the Military. The GOP was also quite mixed about abortion rights. Before 1980 there was almost as many pro choice Republicans as Democrats.

I was heavily involved in Democratic politics in the late 70s and early 80s. But back in those days things really were much more civil. One of my closest friends was the leader of the UW Young Republicans. You could have a spirited policy discussions over a beer in those days with the loyal opposition.

The GOP has become the party of extremists, the party of Trump. Once the Religious Right, AKA Jerry Falwell with his Moral Majority, got their foot in the door with Reagan, it began the slide into extremism. You can see the timeline here:
https://billmoyers.com/content/timeline-the-religious-right-and-the-republican-platform/

 

[Segnosaur]

Knowing this a failed attempt prior to the trial, gives Trump Supporters power. It wastes monies that can be better spent and time that we will never get back. This entire process is political and not meant for justice or closure.

Trump's actions feed in to an event that resulted in multiple deaths during the Capitol hill riots. Calling him to account for those actions IS meant for justice.

It just keeps Trump as a distraction and provides him with a platform.

You are of course assuming that all 'platforms' are of benefit to him. Highlighting the events prior to and on that day will be an embarrassment to those involved.

Remember how the Dems got greater momentum when Trump was stopped at every court? The same is going to happen with Trump and all of this can be prevented.

We heard the same the first time Stubby McBonespurs was impeached. "He'll come out stronger at the end". Less than a year later, he ended up losing the election by millions of votes.

Biden spoke about Unity in his inauguration yet immediately supported a divisive action that is confusing and contradictory.

Why should it be the democrats that always give ground in the name of "Unity"?

Trump has never officially conceded. Dozens of republican congress-critters voted against certifying the election results. And now, after all that, you are accusing the democrats of being divisive?

Here's a suggestion... why don't the Republicans actually become the "party of personal responsibility" that they claim to be, and join with the Democrats in impeaching/convicting Trump in the name of "unity"?

 

[Stacyhs]

Here's a suggestion... why don't the Republicans actually become the "party of personal responsibility" that they claim to be, and join with the Democrats in impeaching/convicting Trump in the name of "unity"?

Because they're the party of hypocrites.

 

[acbytesla]

Trump's actions feed in to an event that resulted in multiple deaths during the Capitol hill riots. Calling him to account for those actions IS meant for justice.

You are of course assuming that all 'platforms' are of benefit to him. Highlighting the events prior to and on that day will be an embarrassment to those involved.

We heard the same the first time Stubby McBonespurs was impeached. "He'll come out stronger at the end". Less than a year later, he ended up losing the election by millions of votes.

Why should it be the democrats that always give ground in the name of "Unity"?

Trump has never officially conceded. Dozens of republican congress-critters voted against certifying the election results. And now, after all that, you are accusing the democrats of being divisive?

Here's a suggestion... why don't the Republicans actually become the "party of personal responsibility" that they claim to be, and join with the Democrats in impeaching/convicting Trump in the name of "unity"?

Amen!

It's as if the forget that Trump never conceded the election, or a peaceful transfer of power. That he didn't tell the Proud Boys to stand down and stand by. That he didn't plan a rally for the day of the formal vote and encouraged them to fight and stop the steal. Never mind that nothing was stolen.