The Biden Presidency

[Cavemonster]

Why would Biden not want to run against Trump in 2024? He's the most popular elected President in the history of the United States. Don't undersell your boy.

Because the last time Trump ran and lost, he sent a ******* murderous mob to break into the Capitol building. and that's like... not good?

Do you really not understand that that's a bad thing?

 

[Stacyhs]

When a majority of both parties agree to impeach, then the process should begin. Otherwise, you're going to have impeachments at the drop of a hat for purely political purposes.

So now it's a majority of both parties. Earlier you said they should only impeach when there was just "bipartisan support". Where will that goalpost be moved next?

 

[smartcooky]

Why would Biden not want to run against Trump in 2024? He's the most popular elected President in the history of the United States. Don't undersell your boy.

Its not about not running against Biden in 2024, its about preventing Trump, an openly corrupt, dishonest, serial liar and failed businessman from ever holding any office ever.

Trump has done a colossal amount of damage to the US' reputation world wide. He has also royally screwed the US economy

3 million jobs lost
400 dead from Covid-19
30,000 lies
545 children who will likely never see their parents again
90% turnover rate in senior staff and advisors
26 accusations of rape or sexual assault
9 federal judges the ABA has deemed unqualified

 

[turingtest]

When a majority of both parties agree to impeach, then the process should begin. Otherwise, you're going to have impeachments at the drop of a hat for purely political purposes.



Stopping the stupidity is the point. Not that it affects me. Feel free to roast President Trump if you must, you'll reap what you sow.

Oh my. What are the GOP going to do that they weren't already going to do anyway? Release the dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you? Well, go ahead! Do your worst!

 

[CapelDodger]

Exactly, there is no way Biden should want to run against anyone else.

We agree then that Trump lost last November. It's good to have common ground.

The outcome here has nothing to do with 2024 : it's all to do with the Republican Party franchise, and who gets to own it. And how much it's worth, of course : never lose sight of the bottom line. That's what made America great.

 

[Stacyhs]

Exactly, there is no way Biden should want to run against anyone else.

Whether Trump was impeached was not up to Biden. He left that up to the House. Whether Trump runs again is not up to Biden. That is up to the Senate. If the Senate acquits Trump and he is free to run again, whether he does run again is not up to Biden. That is up to Trump. If Trump does decide to run again, whether he becomes the nominee is not up to Biden. That is up to the Republican voters. If the Republican voters are that stupid again, then God help us all.

 

[CapelDodger]

Because the last time Trump ran and lost, he sent a ******* murderous mob to break into the Capitol building. and that's like... not good?

Do you really not understand that that's a bad thing?

It's not the sort of thing you can paper over.

 

[SezMe]

Perhaps she watched this video where Biden admits to and brags <blah, blah, blah...>

Must be tough to stay grounded when you're up to your eyebrows in Kool-Aid.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's not the sort of thing you can paper over.

The pundits over on Fox are doing their damnedest to do just that. Give them another month and they'll have most of their audience convinced those rioters were antifa and BLM in whiteface.

 

[acbytesla]

Should be kept in mind that unlike the first impeachment trial there will be evidence presented to the Senate this time. Not the gloss over and vote.

 

[Segnosaur]

Censuring is not punishment. It is just an empty statement that does nothing. It is a wagging of the finger at someone who has committed serious crimes, not something that will cause them to change their actions.

It would not prevent Trump from running again in the future.

Why would Biden not want to run against Trump in 2024? He's the most popular elected President in the history of the United States. Don't undersell your boy.

It is not about what biden wants. it is about ensuring that an individual is punished for whatever wrong-doing he engages in....

The ability to run for office has intrinsic value... it allows an individual to fundraise, it brings publicity (which would be of value to the Trump "brand"). Even if Trump never actually wins. Preventing him from those opportunities is part of the punishment.

And, as another poster pointed out... last time Trump ran, he ended up supporting a terrorist insurrection. Even if Trump runs in 2024 and loses again, there is a possibility that he might pull the same stunt... make veiled calls to engage in violence, target the media or democratic politicians.

 

[CapelDodger]

Whether Trump was impeached was not up to Biden. He left that up to the House. Whether Trump runs again is not up to Biden. That is up to the Senate. If the Senate acquits Trump and he is free to run again, whether he does run again is not up to Biden.

I would add that whether the Senate acquits is up to the professional Republican Party, over which Biden has no influence at all.

 

[Stacyhs]

I would add that whether the Senate acquits is up to the professional Republican Party, over which Biden has no influence at all.

Good point.

 

[SezMe]

Wanna give the real deal a try? This guy is a super smart physicist and completely brainwashed.



https://motls.blogspot.com/2021/01/parasites-retards-scum-terrorists.html

I only had to read the subtitle, "Parasites, retards, scum, terrorists gained full power in the U.S." to know the rest was not worth my time.

 

[turingtest]

So now it's a majority of both parties. Earlier you said they should only impeach when there was just "bipartisan support". Where will that goalpost be moved next?

Not to mention that "a majority of both parties" agreeing to impeach as a condition for just beginning the process is kind of oxymoronic, since that would mean the process is over, he has been impeached. It only takes a majority vote in the House to impeach, so one party having that majority can do it; but if the majority of both parties agree to impeach, then, damn, he's a done tom turkey.

Anyway...you shouldn't need as a prerequisite for beginning a process something that would, by definition, be the end of it.

 

[rdaneel]

Whether Trump was impeached was not up to Biden. He left that up to the House. Whether Trump runs again is not up to Biden. That is up to the Senate. If the Senate acquits Trump and he is free to run again, whether he does run again is not up to Biden. That is up to Trump. If Trump does decide to run again, whether he becomes the nominee is not up to Biden. That is up to the Republican voters. If the Republican voters are that stupid again, then God help us all.

I would add that whether the Senate acquits is up to the professional Republican Party, over which Biden has no influence at all.

In fact, I would say that unless Biden does something to go against his stated position of not involving himself, then the Trump impeachment it off topic for this thread.

 

[SezMe]

When there is bipartisan support to do so. Unless both parties agree that a crime has been committed the impeachment proceeding is only political.

Not surprisingly, you off base here. Impeachment does not come once a consensus has been reached. No, impeachment is analogous to an indictment for us ordinary folk; it means a finding that under the terms of the constitution that there is a basis for charging the president with one or more crimes. IOW, an impeachment is a accusation of presidential misconduct. That impeachment then goes to the Senate where a trial is conducted to find out if a majority of Senators find that the accusation has merit. Note also that such a determination is not dependent on bipartisan support; such a condition is completely irrelevant when it comes to a decision by the Senate.

 

[CapelDodger]

The pundits over on Fox are doing their damnedest to do just that. Give them another month and they'll have most of their audience convinced those rioters were antifa and BLM in whiteface.

Not something which matters until mid-terms, whereas the immediate future of the Republican Party is the subject of the moment. Those professional Republicans who want Trump absolutely gone, and his New Turk acolytes shackled to a shrinking asset, have one option - convict.

Trump is a deflating balloon, and that's not going to change. Soon enough we'll know what kind of Republican Party Biden is faced with, and we can concentrate on his actual term rather than the end of it.

 

[SezMe]

Political, they need him to not be a candidate. I think you know why and it has nothing to do with a riot at the Capitol building.

No, I don't know why (at least from your perspectve) so tell me.

 

[CapelDodger]

In fact, I would say that unless Biden does something to go against his stated position of not involving himself, then the Trump impeachment it off topic for this thread.

A reasonable position, but it will have a profound effect on his term - particularly in the shape of the Republican Party he has to deal with. A McConnell party will at least talk Biden's language. A Trump-whipped party will be off-topic, except incidentally.