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Split Thread A second impeachment

trustbutverify said:
Actually, The review's been ripping through Trump since at least before the election.
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Meadmaker said:
They've been ripping through him since before the 2016 election. They've never liked him, although while he was President, they frequently ran editorials in defense of his policies, but never of him.
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Not really. When Trump was running for the nomination, the magazine published a special anti-Cheeto von Tweeto edition. They had to suspend and change their comment section because it was getting over-run with hard-core MAGA fools. After Trump secured the nomination, they changed their tune. Then he won the presidency (surprisingly), and most of their staffers fell in line. Some couldn't handle the pro-Trump editorial line, so they left (Jonah Goldberg followed by David French).

As for 2020 election, some have always had an uneasy relationship with Trump, but I wouldn't say they were ripping him. After he lost, sure. Most knew it was over.

They're still scumbags, including Williamson.
 
Cain said:
Not really. When Trump was running for the nomination, the magazine published a special anti-Cheeto von Tweeto edition. They had to suspend and change their comment section because it was getting over-run with hard-core MAGA fools. After Trump secured the nomination, they changed their tune. Then he won the presidency (surprisingly), and most of their staffers fell in line. Some couldn't handle the pro-Trump editorial line, so they left (Jonah Goldberg followed by David French).

As for 2020 election, some have always had an uneasy relationship with Trump, but I wouldn't say they were ripping him. After he lost, sure. Most knew it was over.

They're still scumbags, including Williamson.
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Yes, but they're old money scumbags with suits that fit and banks of their own and signed pictures of Prescott Bush on the study wall, and they probably pay the stable boys, not perhaps because they like to but because it's declassé not to.
 
Not seen this posted here, but two days ago McConnell said in a speech on the Senate floor that the insurrectionists were "provoked" by Trump and others, having been "fed lies". Seems a fairly strong indication that he will likely vote to convict as and when the article of impeachment reaches the Senate. He likely wouldn't vote to convict unless he knew that he had enough Republican votes for it to get through, and there were certainly reports in the preceding days that he was putting out his feelers to see where people stood.

In other words, this seems to me like reasonable evidence that, as thing currently stand, Trump is likely to be convicted.
 
bruto said:
True enough, and of course that's largely my point as I think fascism is fascism whatever suit it wears, but for some style is paramount, and the ones who always seem to end up on top are the ones who can both underwrite the nutters and deride them for needing it.
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I'm not quite following you here. Maybe you can define the American aristocracy more objectively, to start. Are they all fascists, by definition? Who, exactly, are "they". What are the essential characteristics that define them?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Not to pick on you directly, but the exact same thing the Progressives hope to accomplish in regards to your hated "Centrists."

No the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party knows full well it can't stand against the GOP without the more moderate old guard folks. "Well we'll just form our own party!" is a threat hoping to get more power and influence within the party.

Nobody who threatens to take their ball and go home really wants the game to end or the teams they change. They just want to be coach instead of the 3rd baseman.
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The USA needs to scrap FPTP voting and the two-party system.
 
trustbutverify said:
I'm not quite following you here. Maybe you can define the American aristocracy more objectively, to start. Are they all fascists, by definition? Who, exactly, are "they". What are the essential characteristics that define them?
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Of course I'm likely being a bit facetious and broad, but having grown up among the prosperous preppies of the Northeast, I think there is a subset, referred to by some as "the horsey aristocracy," of which the founders of The National Review seem a prime example, who manage with consistency over the generations to stand apart from the populist rabble, but subsidize and empower them.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I can't find it now, but the latest story I saw on this had a spokesperson from her office saying that she had intended to file them, but hadn't because the process was more difficult than she had thought it would be.
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Here's a link to Congress.gov, and her resolution. If you click on the "Text" tab on that page, you get this:

Text: H.Res.57 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)
As of 01/22/2021 text has not been received for H.Res.57 - Impeaching Joseph R. Biden, President of the United States, for abuse of power by enabling bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Bills are generally sent to the Library of Congress from GPO, the Government Publishing Office, a day or two after they are introduced on the floor of the House or Senate. Delays can occur when there are a large number of bills to prepare or when a very large bill has to be printed.
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From what I can gather, she did introduce the thing verbally on the floor of the House. I guess it remains to be seen whether she can muster the actual resolution it takes to put it in a coherent, legal, and debatable form.

I dunno- maybe it's just me, but I would think that if I wanted to be a US Representative, I would inform myself on how difficult a process that's a defining part of the job is before I pretended to be qualified to be one. Surely impeaching Biden can wait on learning how to do it.
 
Trump managed to find a lawyer at last, thanks to the assistance of his good pal, Lindsay Graham.

A two-bit local hack who will be completely out of his depth in Washington, and who appropriately shares his name with a white trash piece of filth character from Stephen King's It.

Butch Bowers. (Absolutely no relation to Betty)
 
The Atheist said:
Trump managed to find a lawyer at last, thanks to the assistance of his good pal, Lindsay Graham.

A two-bit local hack who will be completely out of his depth in Washington, and who appropriately shares his name with a white trash piece of filth character from Stephen King's It.

Butch Bowers. (Absolutely no relation to Betty)
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Cannot read without submitting (tons of) personal information.

hans
 
From: CBC (Canuck Broadcasting Conglomerate)
U.S. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell is proposing to push back the start of Donald Trump's impeachment trial by a week or more to give the former president time to review the case.

In normal circumstances, a delay might not be too bad. the Democrats have a lot of work to do in the short term... confirmation of Biden's cabinet picks, Covid-19 legislation, etc. The cynic in me says that Moscow Mitch is only proposing the delay to benefit the republicans/harm the Democrats. "Lets drag out the proceedings as long as possible in order to obstruct Biden's plans".
 
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