Split Thread A second impeachment

[carlosy]

As I keep trying to get people to understand that Republicans are not unaware of their hypocrisy. It is not something they blundered into.

Their hypocrisy is intentional, a well thought part of their overall troll personas at this point.

Absolutely. Their openly displayed hypocrisy has become their modus operandi.
Not sure if it is actually a prearranged strategy or just improvisation as they go along. But the approach is probably something like this:
Look, we are so damn brazen, we don't have to fool around like lame dems. No, we are badass hypocrits - and proud of it!
It's kind of a strength, that surely has some appeal to a specific kind of voters.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Absolutely. Their openly displayed hypocrisy has become their modus operandi.
Not sure if it is actually a prearranged strategy or just improvisation as they go along. But the approach is probably something like this:
Look, we are so damn brazen, we don't have to fool around like lame dems. No, we are badass hypocrits - and proud of it!
It's kind of a strength, that surely has some appeal to a specific kind of voters.

Well that's all it is.

We can scream and tear at our shirts and wail and gnash our teeth about the Republicans being hypocrites all we want about how Mitch McConnell ran his Supreme Court Justice through at the 11th Hour while refusing to do the same for the Democratic Nominee in '16 but at the end of the day all the means is McConnell got his nominee and we didn't get ours so who's really playing the game better here?

 

[turingtest]

You're going to get terrible odds on that - because it appears to be about 50/50.

Which says that around 37,000,000 or your fellow Americans are ignorant and repugnant conspiracy-believing morons.

(Shrug) Ok, whatever the number, the point is that Jordan is not serving those people well when he insists on telling them what they want to hear, instead of what they need to; and he's not serving unity at all by keeping them separated from the Democrats and the moderates in their own party by supporting the lies.

The Republicans need to keep being reminded that a wound can't heal whilst the knife is still in it.

When, and only when, every Republican member of Congress has publicly acknowledged that Biden is the legitimately elected POTUS can they start talking about moving on.

Yep. These particular Republicans are insisting on "unity" strictly on their own terms. Unity requires compromise, which requires movement from both sides. These guys think they can demand a price without giving anything of value in return; by your analogy, they want Democrats to ignore the wound the GOP extremists inflicted, and pretend the knife in it is ok because it stops most of the bleeding. (And this is not to even mention that the only thing Democrats want, after all, is for them to acknowledge a reality- not just the half-reality that Biden will be President, but that he is rightfully so)

 

[pgwenthold]

Hate to break the news (unless already ninja'd): Rudy Giuliani now says he won’t [be] on the Trump impeachment defense team. “Because I gave an earlier speech [at the January 6 Trump rally], I am a witness and therefore unable to participate in court or Senate chamber,”

He told this to ABC's WH correspondent Jonathan Karl.

https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1351020777261424640

Witness, co-conspirator, what's the difference?

 

[Darat]

Witness, co-conspirator, what's the difference?

They are legal terms so good odds he won’t know what they are!

 

[Minoosh]

Witness, co-conspirator, what's the difference?

I'm not even sure it matters in an impeachment. It's not a trial. Evidence and witnesses are not required. It would be interesting to ask Rudy what he meant by "trial by combat," if the Senate decides to call witnesses.

 

[dasmiller]

It would be interesting to ask Rudy what he meant by "trial by combat," if the Senate decides to call witnesses.

Oh, he explained:

I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion in that very famous documentary about fictitious medieval England. When Tyrion, who is a very small man, is accused of murder. He didn't commit murder, he can't defend himself, and he hires a champion to defend him.

Yes, he called Game of Thrones a documentary, sort of. There's more, but it doesn't get any better.

Does anyone else get a 'Grandpa Simpson' vibe from Rudy?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I just talked to a Norwegian trumpkin (yes, they do exist, as an small, but extremely vocal minority) on Facebook. He asked where Trump incited violence. I showed him. He refused to agree any of Trump's January 6th speech was incitement.

I asked him what Trump would have to do for him to agree it was incitement of violence.
He said Trump would need to straight out say he wanted his mob to storm the Capitol.

Then he refused to acknowledge it was a coup because "you can't stage a coup against yourself".

I swear their postings have been getting even more insufferable latelly.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Oh, he explained:

I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion in that very famous documentary about fictitious medieval England. When Tyrion, who is a very small man, is accused of murder. He didn't commit murder, he can't defend himself, and he hires a champion to defend him.

Oh yes, obviously. How silly we've all been. What else could he have meant.

Just like when a mobster tells a shopowner that "it's a nice corner store you've got there, it'd be a shame if something happened to it", he's just quoting that old mafia documentary he once watched. Nothing to worry about.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Oh yes, obviously. How silly we've all been. What else could he have meant.

Just like when a mobster tells a shopowner that "it's a nice corner store you've got there, it'd be a shame if something happened to it", he's just quoting that old mafia documentary he once watched. Nothing to worry about.

No, no, no. The quote from the mafia documentary is, "How many fingers am I holding up?" You know, the mafia documentary about fictitious ancient New Jersey where the machines trick the plaintiffs with landscaping vehicles.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Well that's all it is.

We can scream and tear at our shirts and wail and gnash our teeth about the Republicans being hypocrites all we want about how Mitch McConnell ran his Supreme Court Justice through at the 11th Hour while refusing to do the same for the Democratic Nominee in '16 but at the end of the day all the means is McConnell got his nominee and we didn't get ours so who's really playing the game better here?

Well, the problem is: This is not a game. We have a reality to deal with, and playing games won't do it, no matter how good some are at it.

Hans

 

[Dr. Keith]

Inciting does not mean an act has to occur. These Judges are elected for a lifetime, they underwent personal scrutiny by Congress, the comments were made while SCOTUS was conducting business... what could Schumer mean by his comments?

Obviously not what you think he meant.

 

[jimbob]

Witless co-conspirator, what's the difference?

FIFY

 

[bruto]

Inciting does not mean an act has to occur. These Judges are elected for a lifetime, they underwent personal scrutiny by Congress, the comments were made while SCOTUS was conducting business... what could Schumer mean by his comments?

Many possibilities, one of which (and which might be considered reasonable by many) is the simple fact that Scotus was embarking on a course or stepping on to a slippery slope that would eventually lead to far worse consequences and that would end up biting them in the ass. Whenever you make a bad judgment, it affects not only the case at hand but all judgments for which it might constitute a precedent. I always presumed Schumer's comment, though it might have been put better, meant essentially "You're doing a stupid thing and you'll be sorry."

 

[Vixen]

Hate to break the news (unless already ninja'd): Rudy Giuliani now says he won’t [be] on the Trump impeachment defense team. “Because I gave an earlier speech [at the January 6 Trump rally], I am a witness co-defendant and therefore unable to participate in court or Senate chamber,”

He told this to ABC's WH correspondent Jonathan Karl.

https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1351020777261424640

Fixed that for him.

 

[Vixen]

<snip>

Finally, finally, fina - ******* - ly, Twitter has pulled the plug on him and now it seems he might actually lose his power, because the media who kept reporting his every outrageous tweet that they could not possibly ignore have been deprived of their crack supply and suddenly Trump disappears.

Twitter threw Trump out like a dog. SAD!

 

[Vixen]

Fixed that for him.

Ah, ninja-ed.

 

[Vixen]

I just talked to a Norwegian trumpkin (yes, they do exist, as an small, but extremely vocal minority) on Facebook. He asked where Trump incited violence. I showed him. He refused to agree any of Trump's January 6th speech was incitement.

I asked him what Trump would have to do for him to agree it was incitement of violence.
He said Trump would need to straight out say he wanted his mob to storm the Capitol.

Then he refused to acknowledge it was a coup because "you can't stage a coup against yourself".

I swear their postings have been getting even more insufferable latelly.

Tell him the Insurrection referred to in the Impeachment is as an Act against the United States of America, not the President, who is merely its incumbent figurehead. It is the constitution that is being violated and overturned not the President.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Marjorie Taylor Greene has promised to introduce impeachment articles against Biden on January 20. That's where the unity and healing begins.

She's in for an education how a bill you want to pass goes through a bunch of steps before it's even, if ever, brought to the floor for debate. That is if she's even managed to get a legible bill drawn up.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Absolutely. Their openly displayed hypocrisy has become their modus operandi.
Not sure if it is actually a prearranged strategy or just improvisation as they go along. But the approach is probably something like this:
Look, we are so damn brazen, we don't have to fool around like lame dems. No, we are badass hypocrits - and proud of it!
It's kind of a strength, that surely has some appeal to a specific kind of voters.

It's like the phrase "deficits don't matter" that more than a few Republicans are noted to have said: "hypocrisy doesn't matter". That's how the thinking goes.

Of course hypocrisy and deficits do matter when you are attacking your opponents with that club.