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catsmate said:
The 'race to the bottom' has begun; neonics are banned in most places, except the US and now the UK.

Weren't the Brexiteers busily claiming that the post-EU UK could improve environmental laws? Where are they now?
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Ten EU countries have also approved the temporary "emergency use" of the bee-killing chemical. So it's not a Brexit issue.
 
Weren't the fishing industry supposedly among the biggest supporters of Leave and the greatest beneficiaries of Brexit?

Fishermen now feel ****** by Leave lies and Tory betrayal just like the rest of us.
 
lomiller said:
World beating export delays!

What a win for the fishing industry. The fish they can catch they don't have a local market and can't export. The fish they can sell locally they can no longer catch because they can't do quota exchanges and no longer have access to EU waters or waters off countries like Norway that have deals with the EU.


This super-trawler has been sitting in port since Dec because it has no rights to catch fish anywhere.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-55621259
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Nous reprendrons le contrôle de nos eaux de pêche. Wir werden die Kontrolle über unsere Fischgewässer. zurückerobern. Vi tager kontrol over vores fiskerivand tilbage. Θα ανακτήσουμε τον έλεγχο των αλιευτικών υδάτων μας. Mes atsiimsime savo žvejybos vandenų kontrolę. Retomaremos el control de nuestras aguas de pesca. Otamme takaisin kalastusvesiemme hallinnan.....
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Weren't the fishing industry supposedly among the biggest supporters of Leave and the greatest beneficiaries of Brexit?

Fishermen now feel ****** by Leave lies and Tory betrayal just like the rest of us.
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Yes they were.

The small scale fishermen were always going to get shafted, but I think the large fishing corporations were hoping for a generous payday. Didn't turn out as they had hoped.

Also..... boo-frigging-hoo :mad:
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Weren't the fishing industry supposedly among the biggest supporters of Leave and the greatest beneficiaries of Brexit?

Fishermen now feel ****** by Leave lies and Tory betrayal just like the rest of us.
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In fairness i don't feel cheated by Leave lies as I wasn't idiotic enough to believe them in the first place. Nor do I ever feel betrayed by Tories who I never expect to do anything but **** things up.

It must be galling to have actually have been stupid enough to believe the lies in the first place but I doubt anyone stupid enough to have believed them is smart enough to know that they have been shafted.

Still .... fewer brown people! Maybe.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Other than a random BBC remark can you provide evidence of EU legislation on this chemical having changed in the past month?

As for idiot... I'm not the one who voted for Brexit.
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There were more people who voted Brexit than voted remain. You feel yourself to be so elite and superior that you can call the majority of democratic voters in the whole country idiots?

BBC not a good enough source for you now? You're an idiot for calling me a liar, when I'm not, when you have no evidence that I am, and when you refuse to acknowledge that even when I post evidence from a reliable source. Now, please apologize.
 
ceptimus said:
There were more people who voted Brexit than voted remain. You feel yourself to be so elite and superior that you can call the majority of democratic voters in the whole country idiots?
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Yes, if they do something idiotic. :confused:

Just because a majority of people do something (or believe something), it doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do, just that a majority of people have been persuaded to do it.

A majority of people used to smoke, despite knowing the health implications. I was one of them. We were idiots.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Other than a random BBC remark
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It's your contention that the BBC's statement is a lie, is it? Because I have just done a quick Google and can confirm a lot of other sources state that (for example) Belgium has an emergency use authorisation.

So it seems that, under EU legislation, the UK could have authorised the emergency use of neonicotinoids which is all that has been claimed.

can you provide evidence of EU legislation on this chemical having changed in the past month?
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That's a straw man. Nobody claimed the EU legislation has changed in the past month. What was claimed is that the existing EU legislation allows the emergency use of neonicotinoids; a fact that seems to be born out by ten EU countries having emergency use authorisations.

As for idiot... I'm not the one who voted for Brexit.
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Yes, voting for Brexit was pretty idiotic but so is accusing a person of lying when they have provided evidence for their assertion.
 
ceptimus said:
There were more people who voted Brexit than voted remain. You feel yourself to be so elite and superior that you can call the majority of democratic voters in the whole country idiots?
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The 52% of people who voted for Brexit in 2016 did something idiotic. The events of the past four and a half years unequivocally show that to be true.
 
lomiller said:
World beating export delays!

What a win for the fishing industry. The fish they can catch they don't have a local market and can't export. The fish they can sell locally they can no longer catch because they can't do quota exchanges and no longer have access to EU waters or waters off countries like Norway that have deals with the EU.


This super-trawler has been sitting in port since Dec because it has no rights to catch fish anywhere.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-55621259
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Hey maybe they can switch up the fish and chips to use fish that are actually in British waters. Think mackerel and chips will catch on?
 
ceptimus said:
There were more people who voted Brexit than voted remain. You feel yourself to be so elite and superior that you can call the majority of democratic voters in the whole country idiots?
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Yep. I do. And feel quite comfortable doing something. Half the people in the UK are below average intelligence and we know that voting for Brexit is inversely correlated with education. So yes I do. 75m people voted for Trump. The Tories win the GE almost every time. Vast numbers of people do stupid things all the time. Such as vote for Brexit.

BBC not a good enough source for you now? You're an idiot for calling me a liar, when I'm not, when you have no evidence that I am, and when you refuse to acknowledge that even when I post evidence from a reliable source. Now, please apologize.
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There is no evidence given in the BBC article so I asked you to provide any evidence that EU legislation has changed in the past month. I can find no record of it.

Your contention that this is 'nothing to do with Brexit' is just another example of you refusing to see what is right in front of your eyes. I'll apologise to you when you apologise to everyone for voting like an idiot in the referendum.
 
Jacob Rees-Mogg in the Commons today "The key is we've got our fish back. They are now British fish, & they're better & happier fish for it."

Mr Speaker "Obviously there's overwhelming evidence for that"
 
Unsold fish are rotting on docks, seafood companies are hitting the wall, but Jacob Rees-Mogg jokes in parliament that what matters is that fish are now ‘happier’ because they’re ‘British’
 
jeremyp said:
It's your contention that the BBC's statement is a lie, is it? Because I have just done a quick Google and can confirm a lot of other sources state that (for example) Belgium has an emergency use authorisation.

So it seems that, under EU legislation, the UK could have authorised the emergency use of neonicotinoids which is all that has been claimed.
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It's my contention that the claim this is 'nothing to do with Brexit' is nonsense. We have a government that wanted to Brexit so it could reduce standards to be more competitive, within a couple of weeks of doing so standards have been reduced. I can see no record of EU legislation having changed in the past couple of weeks.

Countries within the EU have been using these chemicals despite the ban as loopholes have existed and it may be that the BBC is conflating these things. Since the quote is unsourced it's hard to know exactly what they are referring to.

We know that there are countries in the EU much more willing to bend the rules than the UK has been historically.

That's a straw man. Nobody claimed the EU legislation has changed in the past month. What was claimed is that the existing EU legislation allows the emergency use of neonicotinoids; a fact that seems to be born out by ten EU countries having emergency use authorisations.
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No what was claimed is that it had nothing to do with Brexit. And what I can find on the matter is that a number of EU countries have had these emergency use authorisations but that they are being reviewed by the EFSA and seem to predate anything the UK has done. The UK didn't have one of these as far as I can see but instead waiting until it had left the EU to approve the use of the chemical. Nothing to do with Brexit??? Really? Pull the other one.

Yes, voting for Brexit was pretty idiotic but so is accusing a person of lying when they have provided evidence for their assertion.
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Well, they didn't actually. Until prompted and then it was a throwaway line from a BBC story. Is that evidence of EU policy? Or is it as usual that the 'evidence' that was later provided is not even half the story. And it's not a one off. It's a pattern of behaviour of dumping Trumpian bovine excrement on the forum and then sodding off for a bit only to come back and do it again. One day its fish, the next its trees, the next it's bees.

ETA: At the VERY least, the actions taken by the UK government in approving this emergency use would have been subject to EU oversight and scrutiny. Which they no longer are. So the claim that 'this is nothing to do with Brexit' is a lie.

Everything we wanted to do we couldn't because of the EU so we have to leave and then the EU didn't stop us doing anything anyway so the changes are nothing to do with leaving.

And then calling someone an idiot because they can see through their xenophobic BS and call them on it.
 
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ceptimus said:
There were more people who voted Brexit than voted remain. You feel yourself to be so elite and superior that you can call the majority of democratic voters in the whole country idiots?
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Yes. We know half the population have less than average intelligence and we know how that half (those that could work out which end of the pencil to use) voted.

Let me know if you need data on the link between voting got brexit and academic achievement.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg in the Commons today "The key is we've got our fish back. They are now British fish, & they're better & happier fish for it."

Mr Speaker "Obviously there's overwhelming evidence for that"
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Clearly he knows for a fact the fish are happier because he talked to them personally.
 
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