Split Thread A second impeachment

the house is full of maniacs and extremists. 10 yea from them is impressive
 
To be impeached once may be regarded as a misfortune.
To be impeached twice is a clear sign you’re a lying, corrupt, sociopathic fascist
 
Who would thought the man with 6 bankruptcies, 2 divorces, 4000 lawsuits and 26 sexual assault accusations would get impeached twice?
 
From the Washington Examiner via MSN, Group of Republican lawmakers introduce legislation to have Trump censured:

A group of Republicans on Capitol Hill introduced a resolution calling on President Trump to be censured for violating his oath of office and “attempting to unlawfully overturn the 2020 presidential election.”
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“In the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol last week, lawmakers have the solemn duty to accomplish two missions: hold the President fully and unequivocally accountable for his actions, and simultaneously calm and heal the fever-pitch tensions in our country,” the news release read.
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Yeah, that part right there? ********. A censure is you wagging your finger in his face and giving him the frowning of a lifetime- it's meaningless, and by design. Holding him "fully and unequivocally accountable for his actions," the way people think the rioters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, would be to impeach him, convict him, and make sure he's never in office again. You want the rioters to pay a full price for their actions, but you think the President's accountability should be a free pass. And doing so to "calm and heal the fever-pitch tensions in our country" is to pay the price that is demanded as ransom by the same people who rioted to begin with. You might as well adopt Stephen Colbert's new GOP slogan: "We don't negotiate with terrorists- we give in to them!" Of course, I'm sure that's only true when the terrorists you want to appease are the voter base you want to appeal to.

ETA- Gaaaahhh, the more I read that, the more it flabbergasts me. I just cannot understand the mindset that offers a tut-tut action that amounts to "what you did was bad, don't do it again, ok?" in active opposition to an action that would ensure that he could never do it again.
 
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Steve said:
Political parties are not the real problem. They don't actually believe most of what they say. They will change their positions to whatever is profitable at the time. The real long term problem is the many millions of violent racist morons who have crawled out of their holes due to Trump's encouragement and honestly believe the crap the politicians are feeding them. These true believers are going to be around causing serious problems for many years.
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Agreed.

But the problem starts at the top and works its way down. Otherwise known as "**** rolls downhill".

If the republicans can't get fixed, then neither will the nutbags who do their dirty deeds on behalf of them. These nutbags would rather watch their country burn to the ground than to allow another librul to sit on the throne.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
To be impeached once may be regarded as a misfortune.
To be impeached twice is a clear sign you’re a lying, corrupt, sociopathic fascist
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You know that, I know that, and most everyone else on this forum knows that. But this is how republicans and their voter base sees it:

To be impeached once may be regarded as an overstep by libruls.
To be impeached twice is a clear sign all libruls must be stopped, permanently.
 
Technical question. Do they have to complete the process for the second impeachment before they start a third one?
 
Myriad said:
I don't see how the Republicans can stop Trump from winning the 2024 Republican primaries, if he decided to run, even though he couldn't win the election. Which makes him an enormous and lasting liability for the rest of the party. Convicting him and making him ineligible to hold office again would partly solve that problem. So I would think the party leaders would want that to happen.



He could still back someone else, either in the Republican primaries or as a third party, but there's no evidence he's capable of actually backing and promoting someone besides himself.
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He wouldn't qualify to be placed on the ballot, anyone writing him in would be throwing their vote away.

State laws generally specify you must qualify to hold the office in order to register to be on the ballot.

FEC would rule he cannot collect contributions or use campaigning language, etc.
 
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Given how fast his "friends", employees, associates, businesses, whole cities and now a country are trying to distance themselves from Diaper Don, his name is not worth spitting on for the rest of his miserable life. The most probable response to any political overture in future will be "Thanks, but no thanks."

Of more concern will be the Trump dynasty. Even though they are as useful as chocolate teapots, his offspring MAY be more acceptable in certain influential circles. Although the NYC response to Javanka may be indicative as well. They are about as welcome right now as four weeks of unpicked-up garbage.
 
I wish Trump still had his Twitter account. The live meltdown would have been something to behold.
 
Firestone said:
Now 10 Republican Yeas.

As someone remarked, the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in US history.
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Well, aside from the very-far-from-insignificant matter of Trump being a dangerous idiot who may well also soon be a criminal....

.... there are three other systemic reasons why this should be the case.

The first is that in six days Trump is going to be out of office and a very long way away from the levers of power - not just within the federal government, but also (importantly) within the GOP. This means that House members of the President's colour have absolutely nothing to lose, and arguably quite a lot to gain, by voting against his impeachment. In all previous presidential impeachments, the president in question a) still had at least a year left in office*, and b) still had significant power and standing within his own party.

The second (IMO) is that the Republican party machine (including GOP representatives and senators) are mad as hell at Trump managing to wreck what should have been a Republican Senate majority, since it's generally agreed by pretty much everyone that the only way the Georgia elections went the way of the Democrats was on account of Trump's words and actions in the wake of the Pres Election. Trump can therefore be viewed as the one person who singlehandedly dismantled the only lever of power the GOP was going to have for the next four years.

The third (IMO) is the very personal factor related to last week's Capitol riot. Not only did congresspeople and senators have to watch (from a designated safe area) as their place of work - and a building which has such deep resonance as a hallmark of American values - was violated, many of them came away with genuine emotional trauma.


Of course, the thing of real interest (given that the House was always going to impeach, regardless of how much Republican support there was) is 1) when will the Senate trial take place, and 2) are there at least 17 GOP senators who are prepared to cross the floor? To me, it looks likely now that when the Senate reconvenes, it will schedule the trial for some time in April/May, for two reasons: first, this will give time and space for Biden to get his new team through the Senate confirmation hearings, and it will give Biden and his team the ability to pass new legislation through Congress; and second, I suspect that even in the current climate wrt Trump, senior Democrats and Senate leaders will judge that the next few months really should see Congress focussing very strongly on the Covid situation and its many ramifications. And after all, Trump will be out of office and effectively harmless (in purely political terms) after Jan 20th.



* Technically, the Andrew Johnson impeachment happened with 9 months left to run in his presidency, but in fact the impeachment process - which turned out to be messy and complicated - had begun the previous year.
 
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) just promised Newsmax to introduce articles of impeachment against Joe Biden on Jan. 21.
 
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