Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

[Horatius]

It took the air right out of them. They hadn't expected consequences.

It's the riot equivalent of those "Karen" videos where the Karen runs off as soon as she gets even a mild slap to the face.

 

[cosmicaug]

Just imagine what would have happened if those idiots got their hands on Pelosi, or AOC, or Ilhan Omar. Some of them would have just loved to use that hangman's scaffolding they erected.

# 1 target was Pence. Pelosi would have been next. Anything after that with a "D" after their name would have been gravy to them (with a special bonus if they are brown).

People are already downplaying what happened two days ago (including a poster above) but if these very fine people had not been kept away from politicians we would have had dead politicians.

It starts as role playing a lynching until it turns into a real lynching.

 

[timhau]

How about the head instigator? You know, the guy who said" You gotta get your people to fight . . . Because you'll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong." Any blowback on that guy?

He'll claim he was using the word figuratively.

Which he obviously did. I mean, he said he'd walk to the Capitol with the riff-raff, but he actually went home to watch TV behind amped-up security.

 

[cosmicaug]

Amazing, though not surprising, is how most Republican leaders didn't see it coming, or didn't want see it coming:

For the past nine weeks, I’ve had a lot of highly unusual conversations with administration officials, Republican lawmakers and conservative media figures. I describe these conversations as highly unusual because what I was trying to glean from them, more than gossip or inside information, was a sense of integrity and discernment. Based on my reporting, it seemed obvious the president was leading the country down a dangerous and uncharted road. I hoped they could see that. I hoped they would do something — anything.

My fears were not assuaged. Some of them expressed mild concern but told me there was no point crossing the president when he’d be leaving office soon anyway. Others laughed off the trepidation altogether. More than a few told me I was being “hysterical,” at which point things got heated, as I would plead with them to consider the consequences if even a fractional number of the president’s most fervent supporters took his allegations, and his calls to action, at face value. When I submitted that violence was a real possibility, they would snicker. Riots? Looting? That’s what Democrats do!
So convinced were the president’s allies that his rhetoric was harmless that many not only rationalized it, but actually dialed it up. Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina senator who once skewered Trump’s dishonesty, promised “earth-shattering” evidence to support his former rival’s claims of a rigged election.

The highlighted part. They have drunk their own Flavor-Aid. Cops have as well (they may be the worst offenders). We have had a white supremacist, right wing terrorist threat in the making for decades and law enforcement doesn't take it seriously beyond a occasional DOJ reports that get ignored by the actual forces on the ground. They'll even shoot the occasional officer dead and it gets treated as an aberration but the real enemy is antifa.

 

[Darat]

Which he obviously did. I mean, he said he'd walk to the Capitol with the riff-raff, but he actually went home to watch TV behind amped-up security.

Now I’m not one for accepting the “well they should have known better all politicians lie” excuse, but please no one could have thought Trump would have walked so far!

 

[Darat]

It’s probably just my own bias but to me Trump looked scared when ..halting.. slowly.. reading what someone else had put in front of him.

 

[The Don]

Which he obviously did. I mean, he said he'd walk to the Capitol with the riff-raff, but he actually went home to watch TV behind amped-up security.

As if he could actually walk that far...

Remember the conference (NATO, G7, G20 - can't remember) where President Trump took a golf cart the 500m between venues while everyone else walked.

 

[Vixen]

# 1 target was Pence. Pelosi would have been next. Anything after that with a "D" after their name would have been gravy to them (with a special bonus if they are brown).

People are already downplaying what happened two days ago (including a poster above) but if these very fine people had not been kept away from politicians we would have had dead politicians.

It starts as role playing a lynching until it turns into a real lynching.



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I was watching a sympathetic newschannel live and, as the broadcaster was interviewing various MAGA on their way to Capitol, there was a quick shot of a couple of police snipers in the roof. So, did they not see the crowd coming?

 

[Vixen]

Which he obviously did. I mean, he said he'd walk to the Capitol with the riff-raff, but he actually went home to watch TV behind amped-up security.

Note he had a bullet proof screen up in front of him at the rally. Maybe he didn't join the walk because he was afraid of being assassinated.

 

[Bob001]

I would disagree. I think no one deserves to be executed. The description of climbing through a window does not sound like she was an immediate threat to life. It should have been possible to subdue her using non lethal force. I do note the responsible officer has been suspended.

I understand the 'emotional' issue, the violation some US citizens feel. But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building. This happens all the time. They did not even organise a sit in! They did not line people up against the wall and shoot them; that is what happens in real coups.
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According to multiple reports, the woman killed was part of a group trying to break through the last door to the chamber where dozens of legislators were sheltering. If she herself wasn't an immediate threat to life, the raging mob certainly was. Putting the cop on leave is routine; it doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

And this was not a "few protesters." Hundreds, if not thousands of rioters roamed the building freely. Some were armed, and some assaulted police. One cop has died. They did extensive damage to the facility, and they stopped a joint session of Congress to ratify the next President. It will be a national humiliaton for decades that police allowed this to happen.

 

[Bob001]

I was watching a sympathetic newschannel live and, as the broadcaster was interviewing various MAGA on their way to Capitol, there was a quick shot of a couple of police snipers in the roof. So, did they not see the crowd coming?

If there were snipers on the roof, they're not going to shoot randomly into a crowd. All the cops were armed; most never drew their guns, let alone opened fire.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

It took the air right out of them. They hadn't expected consequences.

I watched the video where the woman was shot and went down. One of the trumpers could be heard yelling "why did they have to shoot her?".

It's all fun and games until the cops don't understand that your coup attempt is just innocent LARPing .

 

[TragicMonkey]

It’s probably just my own bias but to me Trump looked scared when ..halting.. slowly.. reading what someone else had put in front of him.

The comparison to Nero has been made many times in the last four years; perhaps someone finally filled him in on what happened to Nero at the end.

 

[Vixen]

According to multiple reports, the woman killed was part of a group trying to break through the last door to the chamber where dozens of legislators were sheltering. If she herself wasn't an immediate threat to life, the raging mob certainly was. Putting the cop on leave is routine; it doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

And this was not a "few protesters." Hundreds, if not thousands of rioters roamed the building freely. Some were armed, and some assaulted police. One cop has died. They did extensive damage to the facility, and they stopped a joint session of Congress to ratify the next President. It will be a national humiliaton for decades that police allowed this to happen.

Bear in mind, live tv broadcasters tend to turn away from ongoing violence or 'incidents', so whilst what we saw were groups of straggling MAGA making their way, mostly middle-aged overweight smiling women, we didn't see the uglier side until the live debate inside the chamber suddenly came to a halt with a commotion outside of its doors.

Initial reports dismissed the crowd as 'less than 5,000' whereas today reports have the figure at 'at least 10,000'. The adept way some of them smashed their way in and clambered up the walls with ease, indicates to me there was an organised hardcore at the heart of the storming of the building. Some of the policemen at the doors put up a brave front trying t fight them off and stop them entering. Must have been quite frightening for them being understaffed like that. There was no chance they could halt the onslaught. It is lucky that the 30K who had tickets for the rally were searched for firearms before being let in or it could have been much worse.

 

[Vixen]

If there were snipers on the roof, they're not going to shoot randomly into a crowd. All the cops were armed; most never drew their guns, let alone opened fire.

Surely they had radio communication for reinforcements?

 

[Horatius]

The comparison to Nero has been made many times in the last four years; perhaps someone finally filled him in on what happened to Nero at the end.

I spent most of the day thinking, "Trump tweeted while Washington burned...."

 

[Bob001]

Surely they had radio communication for reinforcements?

You obviously haven't followed this at all. In the days before the event, the Capitol Police turned down offers of assistance from other agencies, and even during the assault they delayed calling the D.C. Metropolitan Police and other departments for backup. The Pentagon refused to authorize activation of the National Guard for hours. Legislators trapped inside were making their own calls for help to other officials. It's clear that for whatever reason, the Capitol Police never took the threat seriously, at least until their own guys started getting hurt.

 

[pgwenthold]

Step 5: let the prosecutors and the courts do their job;
Step 6 to 51236: don't act like Trumpists and accuse these criminal idiots of treason (which they didn't commit), nor call for capital punishment, nor decide what the media should cover.

I have a question: is an attempt to have a revolution treasonous or not?

Where the FF traitors against the crown? I tend to think yes, but that's just me.

I ask because Elizabeth from Tennessee admitted that she was attempting to have a revolution.

 

[Olmstead]

I would disagree. I think no one deserves to be executed. The description of climbing through a window does not sound like she was an immediate threat to life. It should have been possible to subdue her using non lethal force. I do note the responsible officer has been suspended.

I understand the 'emotional' issue, the violation some US citizens feel. But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building. This happens all the time. They did not even organise a sit in! They did not line people up against the wall and shoot them; that is what happens in real coups.

Shooting demonstrators in the streets is what happens in third world countries, the outcome of the policing here was good one person shot is one too many. I am not sure what happened to the police officer who died, all that is said it was injuries occurring during the protest, this might mean he fell down stairs. Perhaps someone here knows the nature of his injuries?

That does not mean I support Trump or these right wing nut cases, I would politically be a Saunders supporter. But even right wing nut cases should not be shot down. Police violence does not become right when it is against your political opponents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/01/semi-naked-climate-protesters-disrupt-brexit-debate

A congressman's account of the shooting:

"They were trying to come through the front door, which is where I was at in the chamber, and in the back they were trying to come through the speaker's lobby, and that's problematic when you're trying to defend two fronts," Mullin told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos in an interview Thursday on "Good Morning America."

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"When they broke the glass in the back, the (police) lieutenant that was there, him and I already had multiple conversations prior to this, and he didn't have a choice at that time," Mullin said. "The mob was going to come through the door, there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. And when he [drew] his weapon, that's a decision that's very hard for anyone to make and, once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force."

Can't find the original link because it was part of their live coverage, and I guess it's gone now.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

According to multiple reports, the woman killed was part of a group trying to break through the last door to the chamber where dozens of legislators were sheltering. If she herself wasn't an immediate threat to life, the raging mob certainly was. Putting the cop on leave is routine; it doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

And this was not a "few protesters." Hundreds, if not thousands of rioters roamed the building freely. Some were armed, and some assaulted police. One cop has died. They did extensive damage to the facility, and they stopped a joint session of Congress to ratify the next President. It will be a national humiliaton for decades that police allowed this to happen.

When the election was called for Biden, I predicted that the trumpkins and their movement would deflate. I was all ready for peace and reconcilliation, and working towards unifying the country again.

A couple months later, and here we are .

There can't be a discussion anymore as to whether or not he should be prosecuted. This. Event. Alone. is sufficient for him to have to stand trial. He's been building this narrative and glorifying violence for over four years, ever since he told his supporters to rough people up at his rallies. Telling them to march on the Capitol and "take their country back" was just the worst event in a series.