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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Planigale said:
I would disagree. I think no one deserves to be executed. The description of climbing through a window does not sound like she was an immediate threat to life. It should have been possible to subdue her using non lethal force. I do note the responsible officer has been suspended.
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The window she was climbing through was the entrance to the Speakers Lobby, a corridor that has several entrances to the floor of the House of Representatives. It was the final barrier standing between the angry mob and the House chamber, where many congressmen and women were sheltering. She was the first to attempt to go through, but there were hundreds behind her.

There will be an investigation. People in the know will decide whether the cop did the right thing, but I don't see any reason to suggest he didn't. The final judgement will be made by people with more information than I have, but it seems to me that a reasonable person would conclude that if the mob had been allowed to go through that window, the lives of the congressmen would have been in danger.

It is standard procedure in the US to automatically suspend, with pay, any officer who kills anyone in the line of duty, pending the outcome of an investigation.
 
Meadmaker said:
Talk about entitlement, eh?

These people are spoiled brats.

We want out president. We didn't lose. The Capitol is our building. Ha, ha, Nancy! I have your lecttern. What are you gonna do about it?

Me, me, me.

ETA: And he's going to jail, and they guy who told him to go to the Capitol and "be strong" goes to South Florida, unless he goes to a New York skyscraper. Trump leaves someone else holding the bag one more time.
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Yep. Ain't that the way it's always been for Trump?
 
Meadmaker said:
The window she was climbing through was the entrance to the Speakers Lobby, a corridor that has several entrances to the floor of the House of Representatives. It was the final barrier standing between the angry mob and the House chamber, where many congressmen and women were sheltering. She was the first to attempt to go through, but there were hundreds behind her.

There will be an investigation. People in the know will decide whether the cop did the right thing, but I don't see any reason to suggest he didn't. The final judgement will be made by people with more information than I have, but it seems to me that a reasonable person would conclude that if the mob had been allowed to go through that window, the lives of the congressmen would have been in danger.

It is standard procedure in the US to automatically suspend, with pay, any officer who kills anyone in the line of duty, pending the outcome of an investigation.
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Just imagine what would have happened if those idiots got their hands on Pelosi, or AOC, or Ilhan Omar. Some of them would have just loved to use that hangman's scaffolding they erected.
 
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Planigale said:
I am not sure what happened to the police officer who died, all that is said it was injuries occurring during the protest, this might mean he fell down stairs.
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It has been reported that one of the rioters removed a fire extinguisher from the wall, and hit the policeman in the head with it. He did not die at the scene, but returned to the police office, and later collapsed. This has not been confirmed by official sources.
 
Planigale said:
But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building.
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No, it wasn't. It was a group of entitled, angry Trump dead-enders whose intention was to disrupt and possible thwart the certification of a Biden electoral victory. They carried confederate flags, wore racist and anti-Semitic clothing like Auschwitz Camp hoodies and 6MWE T-shirts; they erected a hangman's scaffold for ****'s sake and spouted they were storming the Capitol in a revolution. They physically forced their way into the building and were such a concern that representatives had to be hustled to safety.

The only reason they didn't do more damage was that they were inept, which in no way excuses their behavior, and according to law enforcement, they have more chaos planned.

**** them.
 
Meadmaker said:
It has been reported that one of the rioters removed a fire extinguisher from the wall, and hit the policeman in the head with it. He did not die at the scene, but returned to the police office, and later collapsed. This has not been confirmed by official sources.
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I'm hearing it was a stroke, but that could have been caused by head meeting fire extinguisher.
 
Resume said:
Just imagine what would have happened if those idiots got their hands on Pelosi, or AOC, or Ilhan Omar. Some of them would have just loved to use that hangman's scaffolding they erected.
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From the NYT:

Aaron, the construction worker from Indianapolis, and his two friends had heard people talking about going to Ms. Pelosi’s office. So once inside they decided to instead find Senator Chuck Schumer’s office. Both are Democrats.

“We wanted to have a few words” with Mr. Schumer, he said. “He’s probably the most corrupt guy up here. You don’t hear too much about him. But he’s slimy. You can just see it.”

But they could not find Mr. Schumer’s office. He said they asked a Capitol Police officer, who tried to direct them. But they appeared to have gotten nowhere near the minority’s leader’s office. They ended up smoking a few cigarettes inside the building — “We can smoke in our house,” Aaron said — and one of his friends, who would not give his name, joked that he had gone to the bathroom and not flushed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/names-of-rioters-capitol.html
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rdaneel said:
It makes one, small, part of me sad for the woman who got shot.
She threw away her life because she believed a lie told by a malignant narcissist who will never give her the slightest thought.
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His supporters are under the delusion that he cares about them. In reality, he is incapable of caring for them beyond what they can do for him. Once they are no longer of use to him, they become irrelevant to him. The do not understand this because they do not understand that he is a sociopath and malignant narcissist.
 
One of the best observers of the US Right descend to madness is Politico's Tim Alberta.
His article about the Trump Coup, Jan. 6 Was 9 Weeks — And 4 Years — in the Making, is worth a read.

I spend a lot of time around Trump voters. It’s a part of my everyday life, engaging with family and friends in Michigan. It’s been the heartbeat of my work in this election cycle, traversing America to figure out what ordinary folks are thinking about. I’ve learned a lot along the way. And there’s one conclusion of which I’m certain: The “fringe” of our politics no longer exists. Between the democratization of information and the diminished confidence in establishment politicians and institutions ranging from the media to corporate America, particularly on the right, there is no longer any buffer between mainstream thought and the extreme elements of our politics.
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Amazing, though not surprising, is how most Republican leaders didn't see it coming, or didn't want see it coming:
For the past nine weeks, I’ve had a lot of highly unusual conversations with administration officials, Republican lawmakers and conservative media figures. I describe these conversations as highly unusual because what I was trying to glean from them, more than gossip or inside information, was a sense of integrity and discernment. Based on my reporting, it seemed obvious the president was leading the country down a dangerous and uncharted road. I hoped they could see that. I hoped they would do something — anything.

My fears were not assuaged. Some of them expressed mild concern but told me there was no point crossing the president when he’d be leaving office soon anyway. Others laughed off the trepidation altogether. More than a few told me I was being “hysterical,” at which point things got heated, as I would plead with them to consider the consequences if even a fractional number of the president’s most fervent supporters took his allegations, and his calls to action, at face value. When I submitted that violence was a real possibility, they would snicker. Riots? Looting? That’s what Democrats do!

So convinced were the president’s allies that his rhetoric was harmless that many not only rationalized it, but actually dialed it up. Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina senator who once skewered Trump’s dishonesty, promised “earth-shattering” evidence to support his former rival’s claims of a rigged election.
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slyjoe said:
And with cell phones.

Step 1: Get warrants for position data from major carriers.
Step 2: Identify cell phones in the capitol between time x and time y.
Step 3: Identify owners of cell phones from step 2.
Step 4: Arrest!
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Step 5: Execute for Treason. And do it in public with mandatory full media coverage.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Step 5: Execute for Treason. And do it in public with mandatory full media coverage.
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Step 5: let the prosecutors and the courts do their job;
Step 6 to 51236: don't act like Trumpists and accuse these criminal idiots of treason (which they didn't commit), nor call for capital punishment, nor decide what the media should cover.
 
Unless Trump pardons them all (is that even possible?), some of the rioters will face serious charges and rather long prison sentences, and deservedly so.

The sad and infuriating thing is that the instigators, the Trumps, Giuliani, Cruz, Hawley, Gohmert e tutti quanti will be either pardoned (the Trumps, Giuliani), or are extremely unlikely to ever face any real consequence for what they did.
 
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Meadmaker said:
It has been reported that one of the rioters removed a fire extinguisher from the wall, and hit the policeman in the head with it. He did not die at the scene, but returned to the police office, and later collapsed. This has not been confirmed by official sources.
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Probably not too relevant but the policeman was also a Trump supporter.

He died fighting the same people the man he supports inspired.
 
Firestone said:
Unless Trump pardons them all (is that even possible?), some of the rioters will face serious charges and rather long prison sentences, and deservedly so.

The sad and infuriating thing is that the instigators, the Trumps, Giuliani, Cruz, Hawley, Gohmert e tutti quanti will be either pardoned (the Trumps, Giuliani), or are extremely unlikely to ever face any real consequence for what they did.
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It wouldn't be out of character for President Trump to say that he was pardoning the patriots - thus emboldening others to commit further insurrections in the remaining 12 days or so.

It also wouldn't be out of character for him to fail to follow through on this and leave them to rot in jail because it doesn't benefit him directly.

As you say, the instigators will likely get off.
 
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