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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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shemp said:
So ******* what? Do it and put those who vote no on record as traitors!
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I learned a very long time ago that forcing people to go on record is a very good strategy, if you expect to win. If not, people will line up against you. I never did it on a national stage, but just in small time politics at clubs and offices. If people don't want to go on record, they will resent being forced to go on record.



What to do all depends on a lot of back stage conversations that are going on right now. If they can get him out early, I want him gone today, if it could be done. I just don't want his last act in office to be winning another fight with Pelosi.
 
Thye already identified the guy in Pelosi's office. He is going to get a call from the FBI real soon.
 
Resume said:
He has to be held accountable for inciting the riot; the rioters, the insurrectionists, have to be held accountable for breaching the Capitol building. This must happen for the good of our nation, or we just hold up our hands, and shrug our shoulders to mob, and mobster rule.

This is it, right now, right here.
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I agree, but he is only held accountable if he loses the vote. If he wins it, he wins. If you can get all the Democrats and 17 Republicans to sign on, go for it. Or if Pence plus half of the cabinet sign on to getting rid of him, all the better.
 
jimbob said:
Well Mitch has probably made himself into a perceived enemy of Trump as he argued against failing to accept Biden. And some GOP senators will probably not appreciate Trump putting them in harm's way.

They might be thinking it's time to dump him. And using the 25th, pretend his actions are a surprising development and he was perfectly fit for office before this..
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I think they are too afraid of putting a trumpist target on their backs. Easier to wait out the clock on not have to go on record either way.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
"It's a revolution" she says. In a wounded tone which implies the authorities who maced her fail to grasp this. I mean, you're not supposed to oppose a revolution, are you? The revolution* is the goodies.

*Oh but not, like, communist revolutionaries, or anything icky like that, obvs. They are the baddies. No, just nice revolutionaries. Regular, commonsense people who only want to drag the vice president out of the building and string him up from a lamp post.
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That is icky and so wrong! These folk are way classier than that. Need I remind you that they LARPed some actual gallows?
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New: The FBI is seeking public help tracking down people involved in riot at the Capital.
Me On Phone to FBI: Yeah his name is Donald Trump. Mid-70s, orange combover, bad fitting suit. He lives on Pennsylvania Avenue in DC, don't remember the exact address but it's the Big White House, can't miss it.
 
dudalb said:
Thye already identified the guy in Pelosi's office. He is going to get a call from the FBI real soon.
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Graham says he is committed to making sure every single person is caught and charged. He says he will require weekly updates from DOJ until that happens. Congress will provide anything needed. Money is no object. Any resources needed will be provided. He says charges of sedition are possible.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Graham says he is committed to making sure every single person is caught and charged. He says he will require weekly updates from DOJ until that happens. Congress will provide anything needed. Money is no object. Any resources needed will be provided. He says charges of sedition are possible.
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Graham has no power whatsover in this except to jawbone.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
"It's a revolution" she says. In a wounded tone which implies the authorities who maced her fail to grasp this. I mean, you're not supposed to oppose a revolution, are you? The revolution* is the goodies.

*Oh but not, like, communist revolutionaries, or anything icky like that, obvs. They are the baddies. No, just nice revolutionaries. Regular, commonsense people who only want to drag the vice president out of the building and string him up from a lamp post.
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Americans just love revolutions! We celebrate the 4th of July every year. Now that was a beautiful revolution. Great people. Great patriots. They had great hair. A lot of people don't realize they were just wigs. That's what they called their political party - wigs. Because they wore wigs. A lot if people don't know that.
 
Meadmaker said:
While I feel this is appropriate, I still think it's a stupid thing to do if they aren't sure of the votes to convict.

I hope they have the votes to convict, but I doubt it.
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No. We should want this. The Republicans are about to start a faction, on the 20th of January, that will be gaslighting the country by saying that they were taking principled stands against Trump all along. If we have impeachment proceedings & the proceedings fail to convict, these future retroactive Trump dissidents will start out by having most of their names on the list of politicians voting against impeachment. This being on the public record is a good thing.
 
Meadmaker said:
I agree, but he is only held accountable if he loses the vote. If he wins it, he wins. If you can get all the Democrats and 17 Republicans to sign on, go for it. Or if Pence plus half of the cabinet sign on to getting rid of him, all the better.
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We all lose if we do nothing. It's a simple as that. If impeachment fails, that failure is entirely the fault of Trump's enablers, who should be excoriated with the same tenacity and ferocity that these thugs used to create the conspiratorial distrust of the electoral process in the first place. They must be exposed to be just as complicit in all of this as Trump.

Jimmy Carter, long considered by many to be the worst President in modern history - though not to be outdone, Trump burped, "Hold my diet Coke" - said just today:

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Having observed elections in troubled democracies wordlwide, I know that we the people can unite to walk back from this precipice to peacefully uphold the laws of our nation, and we must.
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We must.
 
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DevilsAdvocate said:
Only need one. The 25th is faster and easier. Going for that option first.
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Impeachment could also be used to prevent him from holding office again, while I don't think the 25th would block him from running if he's still alive to run in 2024.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Republicans growing a spine? They don't believe in evolution so will refuse to do so.
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Changing your tune the moment you are personally threatened (one's physical safety, in this case) is not the same thing as "growing a spine".
 
I'm not confident that Trump's cabinet will invoke the 25th Amendment because the people on his cabinet who would be likely to vote for it keep resigning. Elaine Chao DOT Secretary and McConnell's wife just resigned. If there were the votes to invoke it, I doubt she would have resigned.
 
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