Cont: Trump et al continued “2020 election” conspiracy theories

[SezMe]

So someone linked me today some videos concerning Ruby Freeman and her daughter clearly passing something between one another and then onto someone else. The suggestion is that it is a USB drive of some kind.

Anyone come across this? Now who knows what exactly was passed but was is clear is that they were attempting to conceal it. What is going on here? What are they hiding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Za3OKNKG-8&feature=youtu.be

Honestly I am a Brit and I don't know what all the systems are but I do find this kinda interesting...

I suggest to wipe your mind of what you've seen and heard then TURN THE SOUND OFF and watch it again. Is it still interesting? IOW, don't let the narrator tell you what is happening, decide for yourself.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Thanks that’s a much better resolution.

Still even in hi-def someone getting up from their desk and walking out it ain’t very interesting.

This reportedly is a mother and daughter. The daughter looks back over her shoulder. Then her mother hands her something over the table. She closes that up into her palm and then leaves.

That could look a bit sketchy. Or maybe not.

To me, when she looks over her shoulder it seems like she is looking at something rather than checking if the coast is clear. Maybe a clock on the wall, or somebody was making some noise, or...I don't know.

The mother doesn't appear to hand over the object in any secretive way. She appears to get something from the side of her chair. Maybe a purse. My best guess is giving her some money for what appears to be a sandwich that her daughter brought her. But it could be chapstick or keys or...I don't know.

If it was a USB drive with election data, it didn't affect the vote count. There was a full machine recount and a full hand recount that verified the votes. Whatever it was, it did not affect the vote count.

 

[SezMe]

Both of them will be there!

Also, there are no "doors" on the Ellipse. It's a public park.

Amy was talking about the door to the Port-A-Potty.

 

[trustbutverify]

You have got to be kidding! If a person doesn't like voter fraud, it's because they simply don't want black people voting? Claiming voter fraud is an attack on black people and their right to vote? Why? Is fraudulent voting the only way black people know how to vote?

You keeping bringing up black people here as if blacks qua blacks have any relevance. They don't. This is about voter fraud.

It's about fraudulent claims of voter fraud, along the other examples of dementia on the part of the fraudulent claimers. There is not a scrap of credible evidence.

 

[Resume]

<respectful snip>
Whatever it was, it did not affect the vote count.

Which is what is important here.

 

[smartcooky]

I'm not sure what video you watched. Here is a video without narration. The hand off is at 1:50.

OK, I watched it from 1:40 to 2:00 three times, and then again on .25 speed

I don't see any hand-off to the man, and furthermore, it is impossible to identify what her mother hands her.

However, this is what I see....(captions BELOW the screenshots)

0:01, at the beginning of the video, the daughter walks in with what is clearly a fast food bag, rolled over at the top (looks like it might be a Chick-Fil-A bag to me, but I'm not really familiar with many American fast food franchises).

at 0:30 she hands it across the desk to her mother...

at 0:32 the mother places it on the right front corner of the desk - again, you can clearly see its the same fast food bag....


Then they have a brief conversation

at 0:56 the mother appears to place both her hands on her daughter's hands/arms (if the mother wanted to secretly hand something to her daughter, then why didn't she do it then, when both their hands were hidden from the camera?)...

at 1:36 the mother turns away from the camera, goes into her handbag and pulls something out...

at 1:50 she hands it to her daughter....

IMO, what she hands her is money, probably to pay for the fast food.

At 1:51, you can clearly see the daughter holding whatever she has with her hand open with palms and fingers up - you don't hold something to are trying to hide with your hands open so that everyone can see what you have.....

Now, this is only my opinion, but it does fit what we observe, and if nothing else, it shows that if you narrate a video and describe the clips and screenshots you can lead the observer to the conclusion you want them to come to; a conclusion that may or may not be correct.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

That they are supposed to be counting votes and are instead engaged in the secret transfer of something? What about it isn't interesting to you? You think this is normal behaviour? Not at all suspicious?

Frankly, I'm suspicious of this video on two levels. One is, of course, what were these two people doing? They appear to be passing something surreptitiously. Is it a thumb drive full of fraudulent Biden votes? Is it a thumb drive with music files because the one worker is tired of her playlist and wants to listen to something different? Is a vape pen that they're passing surreptitiously because election workers aren't suppose to be getting high on the job and they don't want to get caught? We don't know. There could very easily be a perfectly legitimate explanation. I would probably dismiss it entirely except for the fact that it hasn't been explained. AFAIK the people involved haven't been asked about it. And the defenders here and IRL say 1) there's no reason to investigate something that looks suspicious or 2) they say that it's been investigated and debunked.

On the other hand, I'm also suspicious of how this video was captured. If we're talking about the same video (and I think we are) it appears that somebody just happened to be filming the voter counters when this transfer took place. They zoom in on the handoff just as it's taking place. Were they suppose to be filming? Did anybody know they were filming? Was anybody else in the room filming? What other footage did this person capture in that room that day? I don't really have any reason to dismiss it as unauthentic except for the fact that the person with the camera just happened to be in exactly the right place at exactly the right time and they knew just when to zoom in on those two. It's a little too convenient for me.

The security cam video of four workers in George processing ballots after all the other workers and observers had been sent home for the night because of a "water leak" or something is far more damning.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Kinda interesting that 'someone' linked that video to you?

Looks like 'someone' is trying to influence you.

Yeah, 'someone' wants convince you of 'something' and they do it by providing 'evidence.'

I think we all know what really going on here.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Which do you prefer, Fox, OANN or Breitbart?

Off Topic Craziness
The New York Times reported, concerning Fox host, "Judge" Jeanine Pirro :"Surprising Fact: L.Lin Wood is dating Fox News host Jeanine Pirro"

So if L.Lin Wood has gone 100% pro-Trump bonkers calling for VP Pence's execution and claiming he, himself, "may be the second coming of Jesus", and, if Pirro, had to be taken off air for drunkenness.......and if Trump is telling viewers to abandon Fox News for OANN.....

Well I'm going to place my bet, that Rupert Murdoch sacks "Judge" Jeanine Pirro, before he sacks Tucker Carlson.

 

[heymatto70]

Yeah, 'someone' wants convince you of 'something' and they do it by providing 'evidence.'

I think we all know what really going on here.

Again, claims and evidence aren't the same thing.

Evidence: video shows one person handing something to someone else

Claim: It's suspicious because she could be handing her a USB drive with something on it.

You aren't qualified to make the jump from evidence to claim because you weren't a direct witness or someone who has knowledge of what happened in the room on that day. Just because you think it's suspicious doesn't make it so.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

I would probably dismiss it entirely except for the fact that it hasn't been explained.

A person handed another person a thing. What does it matter what the thing was?

On the other hand, I'm also suspicious of how this video was captured. If we're talking about the same video (and I think we are) it appears that somebody just happened to be filming the voter counters when this transfer took place. They zoom in on the handoff just as it's taking place. Were they suppose to be filming? Did anybody know they were filming? Was anybody else in the room filming? What other footage did this person capture in that room that day? I don't really have any reason to dismiss it as unauthentic except for the fact that the person with the camera just happened to be in exactly the right place at exactly the right time and they knew just when to zoom in on those two. It's a little too convenient for me.

There are cameras in ballot processing facilities. That is to ensure against fraud.

See the video I posted above. The video you are looking at has been altered from that to zoom in at appropriate time.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

And that this thing I'm asking questions about happened in a place where the majority of voters aren't white?

Are you saying that all these weird anomalies that may or may not indicate that election fraud took place happened in places where the majority of voters aren't White?

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Again, claims and evidence aren't the same thing.

Evidence: video shows one person handing something to someone else

Claim: It's suspicious because she could be handing her a USB drive with something on it.

You aren't qualified to make the jump from evidence to claim because you weren't a direct witness or someone who has knowledge of what happened in the room on that day. Just because you think it's suspicious doesn't make it so.

Exactly. Alot of the eyewitness evidence of fraud can have a reasonable explanation. But we don't have that. Some people speculate that what they're seeing is evidence of fraud. Others speculate that what they're seeing is not evidence of fraud. That's what you're doing. But you're not qualified to jump from evidence to claim because you weren't a direct witness nor are you someone who has the knowledge of what happened on that day. Just because you don't think there's any fraud occurring doesn't mean there wasn't.

The way to end all the speculation is to simply ask these people involved what they were doing.

 

[Meadmaker]

I'm not sure what video you watched. Here is a video without narration. The hand off is at 1:50.

In the one with narration, there is the "handoff" between the mother and daughter. That handoff did appear to happen.

In the narrated version, the daughter then hands off the same object to the man who has come up to stand next to her.

But what really happened is that she stood up and turned, placing her hand on the back of the chair briefly for balance, or perhaps to move the chair, before her and the man walk off together.

ETA: The "second handoff", alleged in the narrated video, occurs at 2:14 in your unnarrated video. You might have missed it, because it didn't actually happen, but the narrated video says it did.

 

[Norman Alexander]

So even if a USB was handed surreptitiously, who is to say what it contained? Porn? Disney movies? A bunch of family photos? An illegally downloaded copy of Sia's latest album? Trump's missing tax returns? There is no proof whatsoever that this exceptionally mythical USB contained any material likely to affect the voting outcome in any way.

And having been handed over, where is the proof it was actually used to affect the voting outcome? Is there evidence this same USB was inserted into a voting tabulation system anywhere? And that the contents made any untoward change in the tallies? That suddenly there were hundreds of thousands of extra votes for Minny Mouse, or the reverse cowgirl position? No, there was not. (And damn! That cowgirl stuff needs to be up-voted! )

So even on the exceedingly unlikely possibility there was some secret exchange of a USB on camera in full public view, there is only a homeopathic probability it would have contained anything likely to swing the results.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

because Republicans live on a diet of "Dems are baby eaters", they have no reservation about going full voter fraud.
If you think your opponent is Stalin, you can be Hitler and believe you are not too bad in comparison.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Even if the first hand-off did occur - and having seen the video it's not something I'd be prepared to testify under oath as having actually happened - anyone who thinks there's something suspicious about a mother taking something out of her handbag and giving it to her daughter has literally never met a woman.

Dave

 

[Craig4]

Are you saying that all these weird anomalies that may or may not indicate that election fraud took place happened in places where the majority of voters aren't White?

There aren't any anomalies. You and others manufactured and then lied to claim there were anomalies in places where the majority of voters are Black.

 

[Mr Fied]

Frankly, I'm suspicious of this video on two levels. One is, of course, what were these two people doing? They appear to be passing something surreptitiously. Is it a thumb drive full of fraudulent Biden votes? Is it a thumb drive with music files because the one worker is tired of her playlist and wants to listen to something different? Is a vape pen that they're passing surreptitiously because election workers aren't suppose to be getting high on the job and they don't want to get caught? We don't know. There could very easily be a perfectly legitimate explanation. I would probably dismiss it entirely except for the fact that it hasn't been explained. AFAIK the people involved haven't been asked about it. And the defenders here and IRL say 1) there's no reason to investigate something that looks suspicious or 2) they say that it's been investigated and debunked.

On the other hand, I'm also suspicious of how this video was captured. If we're talking about the same video (and I think we are) it appears that somebody just happened to be filming the voter counters when this transfer took place. They zoom in on the handoff just as it's taking place. Were they suppose to be filming? Did anybody know they were filming? Was anybody else in the room filming? What other footage did this person capture in that room that day? I don't really have any reason to dismiss it as unauthentic except for the fact that the person with the camera just happened to be in exactly the right place at exactly the right time and they knew just when to zoom in on those two. It's a little too convenient for me.

The security cam video of four workers in George processing ballots after all the other workers and observers had been sent home for the night because of a "water leak" or something is far more damning.

Do they have different vape pens in America?

Get high?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Exactly. Alot of the eyewitness evidence of fraud can have a reasonable explanation. But we don't have that. Some people speculate that what they're seeing is evidence of fraud. Others speculate that what they're seeing is not evidence of fraud. That's what you're doing. But you're not qualified to jump from evidence to claim because you weren't a direct witness nor are you someone who has the knowledge of what happened on that day. Just because you don't think there's any fraud occurring doesn't mean there wasn't.

The way to end all the speculation is to simply ask these people involved what they were doing.

I don't believe that. Those who speculate will simply say those people lied.

Much more importantly: Why do you keep looking for possible anomalies when the election results have been rechecked repeatedly, and no systematic faults have been found? Why keep obsessing about "suspicious" actions when no evidence of fraud can be found? We are not talking about the odd slip, here. We are talking about tens of thousands of votes. Nobody can find any of them.

Hans