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GlennB said:
It doubles the cost of a €5 item though. (Or :rolleyes: as Darat rightly says)
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Only temporarily.

Hardly compares to all the trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit.

If it hadn't been for this stupid people's vote nonsense the 2019 election wouldn't have happened, the risk of fox hunting being re legalised wouldn't have appeared, the Tories wouldn't have an absolute majority, and the odds are a deal more suited to your preferences could have happened.

We had a vote, Parliament stated that it would honour that vote, then voted to honour it, so it's not just "advisory", then we had a general election. Labour backed leaving the EU, and gained seats, the Tories lost their majority.

Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU, there was another general election and Labour handed absolute power to Boris Johnson.

When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?
 
Airfix said:
Only temporarily.

Hardly compares to all the trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit.

If it hadn't been for this stupid people's vote nonsense the 2019 election wouldn't have happened, the risk of fox hunting being re legalised wouldn't have appeared, the Tories wouldn't have an absolute majority, and the odds are a deal more suited to your preferences could have happened.

We had a vote, Parliament stated that it would honour that vote, then voted to honour it, so it's not just "advisory", then we had a general election. Labour backed leaving the EU, and gained seats, the Tories lost their majority.

Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU, there was another general election and Labour handed absolute power to Boris Johnson.

When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?
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Wow.
 
Leaver says "this is why I voted Leave" then proceeds to list all his grievances. Then all those grievances get shown to either be the fault of the UK government or to simply be not true.

Leaver refuses to say "oh ok, you're right. My fears where unfounded. The facts are simply there to show me my arguments where false". They stubbornly hold on to their stated view that the EU is the evil entity.

Makes you wonder why really. Why are they so impervious to facts? It's almost like they use their alleged grievances as a smoke screen for why they really voted leave.
 
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Airfix said:
Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU
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That didn't happen.

Labour said they'd renegotiate the withdrawal agreement for some kind of softer Brexit, and put that to a referendum.

That's not stopping backing leaving.

It wasn't a policy that voters were convinced they could deliver and instead of appealing to both sides it repelled both.

If Labour had wanted to produce some middle ground where they persuaded their remain supporters that we had to leave but they would make it as un-damaging as possible, while persuading their leave supporters that they would definitely leave, then they had one job to do which they utterly failed at: they had to look as if they were a competent government in waiting.

Corbyn's shadow front bench (assisted by the hostile press of course but that's a given for Labour) never, ever looked like they were a safer pair of hand to drop the country into than Boris Johnson's. That's how bad they were.
 
RolandRat said:
Leaver says "this is why I voted Leave" then proceeds to list all his grievances. Then all those grievances get shown to either be the fault of the UK government or to simply be not true.

Leaver refuses to say "oh ok, you're right. My fears where unfounded. The facts are simply there to show me my arguments where false". They stubbornly hold on to their stated view that the EU is the evil entity.

Makes you wonder why really. Why are they so impervious to facts? It's almost like they use their alleged grievances as a smoke screen for why they really voted leave.
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I still have not seen what exactly brexiteers think they have "won".
 
Darat said:
Wow.
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Indeed an interesting demonstration of how utterly out-of-touch with reality Brexiteers are. Unaware (and uncaring) of the small margins on many sales and utterly clueless about the realities of doing business.

The projection in the blaming of everyone else for the insanity of Brexit ("When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?" :rolleyes:) and the "trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit".

A fascinating insight into cultish thinking, very reminiscent of the MLMers, the Truthers and similar fringe groups.
 
RolandRat said:
Leaver says "this is why I voted Leave" then proceeds to list all his grievances. Then all those grievances get shown to either be the fault of the UK government or to simply be not true.

Leaver refuses to say "oh ok, you're right. My fears where unfounded. The facts are simply there to show me my arguments where false". They stubbornly hold on to their stated view that the EU is the evil entity.

Makes you wonder why really. Why are they so impervious to facts? It's almost like they use their alleged grievances as a smoke screen for why they really voted leave.
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"We may never reason a man out of an opinion which he was never reasoned into".
The is no "reason" behind Brexit, merely delusion, ego, greed, fear of the "other" and ignorance.
 
Airfix said:
Only temporarily.

Hardly compares to all the trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit.

If it hadn't been for this stupid people's vote nonsense the 2019 election wouldn't have happened, the risk of fox hunting being re legalised wouldn't have appeared, the Tories wouldn't have an absolute majority, and the odds are a deal more suited to your preferences could have happened.

We had a vote, Parliament stated that it would honour that vote, then voted to honour it, so it's not just "advisory", then we had a general election. Labour backed leaving the EU, and gained seats, the Tories lost their majority.

Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU, there was another general election and Labour handed absolute power to Boris Johnson.

When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?
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There has been a large leave majority throughout parliament, either natural leavers or the born agains who found leave about a day after their constituency voted leave.

The in fighting which caused delay after delay was because the hard leavers and the soft leavers couldn't agree. Boris himself voted 6 times in one day against leaver motions that would have had us out well before we left.

I can see why leavers try to blame remainers for the crap situation we are in. However the fault lies firmly with the leave camp who couldn't make their minds up how to leave.
 
Airfix said:
You haven't stated how much that fee is.
Is it insignificant by any chance ?
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Hmmm.


UPS doesn't give a specific figure:

https://www.ups.com/gb/en/shipping/zones-and-rates/additional.page

UK Border Fee

A fee will be implemented, effective 01/01/2021, on all shipments (excluding letters and documents) exported and imported between European Union Countries and Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales), as well as shipments between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. This fee covers the incremental transportation and handling costs due to network adjustments. It does not cover any additional brokerage services.
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It even applies to shipments between NI and Great Britain. But they don't say how much the fee actually is.
 
An additional hassle is I also have to fill out and attach a customs declaration form.
 
Airfix said:
It was a negotiating position, nothing more.
A threat intended to strengthen our hand and get a better deal.

Anyway, "no deal" is gone.
Done.

Forget about it.
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Which makes ZERO sense. No deal hurts the UK far more than the EU so the threat of no deal would have bolstered the EU position should they choose to push the issue.

Furthermore "better deal" in the context of a trade deal means more inclusive with fewer barriers to trade. This deal is a terrible one that barely covers anything of major importance to the UK economy, so even if the point was to try and get a better deal it failed miserably.


Since a more inclusive deal helps BOTH sides, so the notion that you can get a deal more beneficial to your side by getting the other side the make sacrifices is down right stupid to begin with. The negotiations wrt making trade deals are to bridge the gaps in standards and practices.


As expected the EU didn't compromise on any of it's standards, nor would it have benefited people in the UK if it had. These are consumer and labor standards that Right wing politicians have been looking to strip away for years. Brexit means they are free to do so, just not on anything sold to the EU.
 
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