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GlennB said:
Do you feel that this government is in touch and will in any way serve your needs and wishes?
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No I don't and I didn't vote for this government.
However, my MP is a Tory, his majority went from 13,772 to 20,137 at the last election. Labour's position on Brexit was a massive reason for their defeat. The red wall, some of their safest seats in the North, fell.

But this government won't always be in power and any / all of it's policies can be reversed by a future government.

Policies of the EU are far more difficult to reverse.

The only way around those policies that I saw as being a viable option, was departure. If I'd seen another viable way, I might have voted remain.

I even paused at the ballot box and thought about it further.

Anyway, we are where we are and have to make this work.
 
Really couldn't care less how they would have thought.

I care about where we're going, not re running the tedious already settled membership debate.

There should be more referendums in time, but we have to try life outside the EU first.

The 48% only gave an advisory vote, but more than that, they lost.
 
Airfix said:
Really couldn't care less how they would have thought.

I care about where we're going, not re running the tedious already settled membership debate.

There should be more referendums in time, but we have to try life outside the EU first.

The 48% only gave an advisory vote, but more than that, they lost.
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The sentence highlighted and the mindset that is behind a sentence like this, is why it is for the best that we’re rid of the UK in the EU.
They can always return. Gladly even. But only when they’re grown up a bit and see things not as ‘me winning and you losing’, but more like in ‘working together, so that the total can be greater than the sum of the parts’.
 
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Boris Johnson tweets

@BorisJohnson
By signing this deal, we fulfill the sovereign wish of the British people to live under their own laws, made by their own elected Parliament.
 
Boris Johnson tweeted

@BorisJohnson
I wholeheartedly welcome today’s political agreement between the UK and Spain on Gibraltar’s future relationship with the EU. The UK has always been, and will remain, totally committed to the protection of the interests of Gibraltar and its British sovereignty
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Boris Johnson tweeted

@BorisJohnson
I wholeheartedly welcome today’s political agreement between the UK and Spain on Gibraltar’s future relationship with the EU. The UK has always been, and will remain, totally committed to the protection of the interests of Gibraltar and its British sovereignty
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Has he read the deal? Basically the UK has surrendered control of Gibraltar's borders and the idiot Brexiteers have bought it.
 
David Frost (Lord Frost of Allenton EU advisor to the PM) tweeted

@DavidGHFrost
Britain has just become a fully independent country again - deciding our own affairs for ourselves.

Thank you to everyone who worked with me &
@BorisJohnson
to get us here in the last 18 months.

We have a great future before us. Now we can build a better country for us all.
 
dudalb said:
I have read both papers, and maintain the Guardian biases it news toward the left.
Granted, it does it in a much more soophisticated way, and is nowhere as blatent about it as the Daily Fail, but the bias is still there.
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The Guardian is not at fault. Th problem is systemic.

Reality has a liberal bias. The more accurately a news outfit reports reality the more liberal their bias will seem.

Conservatives cannot get their plaque ridden minds around this simple truth. That's why they had to come up with the concept of "alternative facts".
 
catsmate said:
Has he read the deal? Basically the UK has surrendered control of Gibraltar's borders and the idiot Brexiteers have bought it.
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I am aware that Gibraltar is part England (UK?) but not how Brexit changes the status quo. Could you enlighten this colonist?
 
catsmate said:
Has he read the deal? Basically the UK has surrendered control of Gibraltar's borders and the idiot Brexiteers have bought it.
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Gibraltar is a self governing overseas territory protected by the British military.
Gibraltar's participation in Schengen is a matter for the people who live there, not the people on the British mainland.

Meanwhile Spain holds the territories of Melilla and Ceuta in Morocco which are surrounded by heavily fortified fences. So it's kind of hypocritical of their government to moan about Gibraltar.
 
erwinl said:
They can always return. Gladly even. But only when they’re grown up a bit and see things not as ‘me winning and you losing’, but more like in ‘working together, so that the total can be greater than the sum of the parts’.
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We've faced prejudice and insult over and over again, the possibility of intelligent reasons for leaving the EU are always ignored by people who unfortunately are fanatically wed to the idea that the only way countries can work together is in a political union.

I'm an internationalist, but I want my country to be self governing in it's laws.
Yes, the democratic means to rejoin one day, have to be on the table, I wouldn't be a democrat if I didn't support democracy.
But we had a vote, Parliament decided to honour it, we had two General Elections in which those opposed to that vote lost badly.

Labour has now lost it's Red Wall. Even Dennis Skinner's seat of Bolsover turned blue - Bolsover!!

I never saw that coming, the most left wing seat in the entire country, held their noses and voted Tory because of Labour's policy on Brexit.

I see the victory of the Tories in 2019 as a tragedy.
They support fox hunting, they now have a majority and the means to make it legal again.

Despite Brexit I couldn't vote for them but I understand why others did.
 
There are no 'intelligent' reasons for leaving the EU.

We were always 'self governing in it's laws'
We have all kinds of treaties that effect our laws and actions.
 
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