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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 26

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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC
Congress will vote on additional stimulus checks and repealing Section 230 -- all wins for the American people.

Well done Mr. President!

Both are reasonable demands, and I hope Congress is listening. The biggest winner would be the American people.
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I wonder what Lindsey had done that needs he needs a pardon for?
 
acbytesla said:
What the hell does red lining a few things mean?

POTUS, unlike in many States does not have the line item veto. He can either sign a bill as it is written or send it back. At least, that is my understanding.
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I also believed POTUSes had no line item veto, and they don't technically. But there is a version. Bush used to make signing statements with things he disagreed with in legislation. In this case the budget item is delayed for a reconsideration of the item.

Wiki: Line Item Veto in the US
n 2009, Senators Russ Feingold (D-WI) and John McCain introduced legislation of a limited version of the line-item veto. This bill would give the president the power to withdraw earmarks in new bills by sending the bill back to Congress minus the line-item vetoed earmark. Congress would then vote on the line-item vetoed bill with a majority vote under fast track rules to make any deadlines the bill had.[17][18][19]
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It's a challenge to Congress I guess.

There's more to it, and I'm not sure this is exactly what Trump did given the reports are he "signed" the bill as opposed to vetoing it. I'll have to look some more.
 
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Rollcall: Here it is:
The president's signature came with a catch, however. Trump said he'd send a "redlined version" back to Capitol Hill along with a formal request for lawmakers to rescind, or cancel, spending items he finds objectionable.

Under a process outlined in the 1974 law establishing the modern budget process, a rescissions message puts a 45-day hold on the targeted funds while Congress weighs legislation to approve the presidential request. If lawmakers don't act, the funds must be released.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I also believed POTUSes had no line item veto, and they don't technically. But there is a version. Bush used to make signing statements with things he disagreed with in legislation. In this case the budget item is delayed for a reconsideration of the item.

Wiki: Line Item Veto in the USIt's a challenge to Congress I guess.

There's more to it, and I'm not sure this is exactly what Trump did given the reports are he "signed" the bill as opposed to vetoing it. I'll have to look some more.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Rollcall: Here it is:
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So, in other words, it's only practical effect is delaying money and in this case not for 45 days, but 25 days. I'd also bet if this law was ever challenged in court SCOTUS would deem it unconstitutional. But since it's effect is negligible, it hasn't. (I'm speculating)
 
acbytesla said:
So, in other words, it's only practical effect is delaying money and in this case not for 45 days, but 25 days. I'd also bet if this law was ever challenged in court SCOTUS would deem it unconstitutional. But since it's effect is negligible, it hasn't. (I'm speculating)
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Yeah and yes.
 
Rep. Matt Gaetz tweeted

@RepMattGaetz
I’m not going back to yesterday’s Republican Party.

THIS IS DONALD TRUMP’S PARTY!
 
Stacyhs said:
Tylenol? TYLENOL?

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Please tell me where I can buy one of those. Also, is there a box adapter?
Captain_Swoop said:
Rep. Matt Gaetz tweeted

@RepMattGaetz
I’m not going back to yesterday’s Republican Party.

THIS IS DONALD TRUMP’S PARTY!
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Stacyhs said:
HEIL TRUMP!

What a piece of ****.
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SCHISM! It's the only thing gives me hope!
 
quadraginta said:
I doubt he has ever taken any interest in the process. He has people for that.
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I just started reading Michael Cohen's Disloyal. I didn't think it was possible to detest Trump any more than I already did, but I was so wrong. And Don Jr? Ew. Even Donald can't stand him. What a slimeball. The turd didn't fall far from the anus.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yeah and yes.
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"The budget process" does not appear in the Constitution.

Congress passed a bill through both chambers and a president signed it. That bill allows the President to take (limited) actions.

Innumerable examples of executive discretion like this exist all over.

Yes, it gets abused.

It also means the President can suspend foreign aid to a country that suddenly became hostile to us while Congress is in recess or such.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
"The budget process" does not appear in the Constitution.

Congress passed a bill through both chambers and a president signed it. That bill allows the President to take (limited) actions.

Innumerable examples of executive discretion like this exist all over.

Yes, it gets abused.

It also means the President can suspend foreign aid to a country that suddenly became hostile to us while Congress is in recess or such.
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The budget process is in the Constitution. It just doesn't look like it.

Foreign policy is a subject entirely separate in most ways. It is supposed to be the President's main focus. Very little of how we run the government was envisioned by the founders.
 
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Trebuchet said:
SCHISM! It's the only thing gives me hope!
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I've been thinking for decades that this is going to happen. Somehow they all seem to fall in line eventually.

I'd love to see an analysis of which GOP congressmen won their districts despite a "no" vote for Trump. There will be districts with a hardcore Trump fan base and maybe others where staying on the Trump train will cost representatives too many votes from sane Republicans.

The Senate and the Supreme Court have signaled that they believe the election results are legitimate. So have the Republican reps who have not gone along with the scheme to challenge the results Jan. 6. But that still leaves a gaggle of pretty ornery Congress critters who will make a lot of noise.
 
acbytesla said:
The budget process is in the Constitution. It just doesn't look like it.
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A lot of stuff is in the Constitution.

A lot of Congress's powers are in the form of rules by which an executive agency can or cannot operate (through laws).

If Congress includes "and you can make some limited alterations while requesting said alterations formally under the following provisions" in every budget, that would be totally constitutional. It is no less so that they just have a law for the whole process that includes that already.

Foreign policy is a subject entirely separate in most ways. It is supposed to be the President's main focus. Very little of how we run the government was envisioned by the founders.
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Yes, my example was related to foreign policy, but the President doesn't decide what country gets aid in what amounts by unilateral decree. Congress controls the purse. The President can name ambassadors and negotiate (but not ratify/enact) a treaty.

But Congress can also decide not to create the positions to staff a negotiating team, not provide any funds to pay salaries to them, etc.

In any case, Congress decided it wanted it this way. Congress has a mechanism for changing it. The proper attitude of the court is "this is a political issue, it has a political solution."

ETA: Only "The United States Congress" would have standing to file suit, as they are the only party to whom expenditures from the public treasury is granted, and the only party who could claim to be "harmed/injured." By their own law. That they can change.
 
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