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Human Hard Drive

Starthinker

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I asked this question years ago and never got an answer and another thread here made me think of it again.

How much RAM does a human have? How much storage space does a human have (think hard drive)? I was thinking RAM as in what you use when you are thinking about a problem. What do you think a human's processing speed would be? Bus speed? Has anyone worked this out?
 
I asked this question years ago and never got an answer and another thread here made me think of it again.

How much RAM does a human have? How much storage space does a human have (think hard drive)? I was thinking RAM as in what you use when you are thinking about a problem. What do you think a human's processing speed would be? Bus speed? Has anyone worked this out?
When my mum was a little girl growing up in a village in Greece, her family tended goats.

I think they had just one ram most of the time. The doe were more useful, you know, for the milk.
 
When my mum was a little girl growing up in a village in Greece, her family tended goats.

I think they had just one ram most of the time. The goats were more useful, you know, for the milk.

What's the term I'm looking for here? Hmmmmm... let me think now ....


Ahh yes, I have it ... smartarse.

;)
 
In your computer the place of memory is called RAM.

In your brain the place of memory is called hippocampus. In the hippocampus is an organ called Ammons Horn. Ammon is the Egyptian deity whose symbol is the Ram Head. So we obviously do not need more religion to solve our problems. We need more RAM.
http://hiddenmeanings.com/brain.html#RAM

The human brain has about 1012 neurons, and each neuron makes about 103 connections (synapses) with other neurons, in average, for a total number of 1015 synapses. In artificial neural networks, a synapsis can be simulated using a floating point number, which requires 4 bytes of memory to be represented in a computer. As a consequence, to simulate 1015 synapses a total amount of 4*1015 bytes (4 millions of Gigabytes) is required. Let us say that to simulate the whole human brain we need 8 millions of Gigabytes
http://feanor.sssup.it/~giorgio/movies/ac-eng.html

You might think that computer memory would be a useful analogy for how human memory works. And, to some extent, it is. At first, human memory seems to be a lot like the computer's three versions: type-ahead buffer, RAM and hard disk. We, too, have a sensory buffer called immediate memory, usually seen as a ghostly image of a flashbulb, rather like the keyboard's type-ahead buffer. And we also have working memory, part of which is a short-term memory store much like the computer's RAM. It is also as volatile, because its contents can be lost following a concussion or seizure. The "consolidation" of episodic human memories is a lot like transferring files from RAM to a new file on the hard disk. In humans, the process takes days or weeks to complete, most likely because you have to strengthen synapses into a new pattern.

EL: Unfortunately, the analogy ends there. And, as the adage says, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

WC: The big difference is that the human brain has no pigeonholes for data, like RAM. Human memory is cluttered. Memories don't get lost so much as they become distorted or hard to find. We may like to say that we've lost something -- but often, an hour later, it pops uninvited into our consciousness, where it has been lurking all along. The serious difference between computer and human memory is that we don't pop out a pristine copy of the original event, the way a computer does. Instead, we reconstruct things as best we can from all the clutter. We guess.

http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/MemoryFuture.htm
 
The human brain has about 1012 neurons, and each neuron makes about 103 connections (synapses) with other neurons, in average, for a total number of 1015 synapses. In artificial neural networks, a synapsis can be simulated using a floating point number, which requires 4 bytes of memory to be represented in a computer. As a consequence, to simulate 1015 synapses a total amount of 4*1015 bytes (4 millions of Gigabytes) is required. Let us say that to simulate the whole human brain we need 8 millions of Gigabytes

It looks like a few exponent symbols went missing in this cut and paste. I've met a few people who I could believe only had 1012 neurons, but not many.
 
I asked this question years ago and never got an answer and another thread here made me think of it again.

How much RAM does a human have? How much storage space does a human have (think hard drive)? I was thinking RAM as in what you use when you are thinking about a problem. What do you think a human's processing speed would be? Bus speed? Has anyone worked this out?
Your question is flawed in and off itself.

Tell, me, how many horsepowers do you think a xbox 360 has?
 
I doubt anyone has much idea of the maximum capacity of the brain yet. Consider savants who can remember entire books and movies word for word and build up a library of hundreds or thousands (I think) in their heads.

I'd set the LOWER limit somewhere around a terabyte or fifty.
 
Last month Scientific American ran an article on a savant named Kim Peek, who reportedly has memorized more than 9000 books. In addition to books, he has memorized scores of musical works and road maps for every major city in the U.S.

The article is well-worth reading, if you can get your hands on a copy.
 
Okay, okay. I was just wondering how big a computer to get to replace my brain. I don't want to go backwards. Actually, if you think about how much hard drive space it would take to store a visual, aural, aromatic, and other sensory information for an average human life, minus what is forgotten, plus made up memories then you can make a comparison. I'm not trying to compare HOW a brain stores information compared to HOW a hard drive stores information, just how much memory there actually is. Does that make sense? It was just a musing anyway, just wondered if anyone had worked it out.
 
Fine, then what about how many hitpoints in D&D does an xbox360 have?
Hmm... Let me think...

[Geek] Glass has a hardness of 1 and 1 hp per inch of thickness. Since the plastic casing of the Xbox is thinner, but (maybe) stronger, the hardness value is probably right. The sensitive electronics inside, however would make it just as fragile, and just shaking them around might negate any benefit of that hardness... so effectively 1 hp, no hardness if you're looking to just ruin it.

By default, objects only take 1/5 damage from fire and cold, but I don't think an Xbox 360 would: They typically warn against exposing electronics to extreme temperatures.

If you just want to ruin one without doing hitpoint damage, I suppose it would have a Break DC of less than 10. If you want to break it in half, it'd probably be, maybe, 10 or 11.

In terms of size, it's about a large book, so Tiny size. 10 base, -2 for being an object, -5 for no Dexterity, +2 for Tiny size. AC 5, so it'd be easy to hit, even under stressful conditions. [/Geek]

As you can see, I've probably got a little too much wasted HD space in my brain. At least it's not spyware.
 
Last month Scientific American ran an article on a savant named Kim Peek, who reportedly has memorized more than 9000 books. In addition to books, he has memorized scores of musical works and road maps for every major city in the U.S.

The article is well-worth reading, if you can get your hands on a copy.

Kim Peek is probably one of the more famous savants. He was the one that Dustin Hoffman’s character was based on in the movie Rain Man. I believe Hoffman spent sometime with Kim to pick up some of his behaviors. The movie, however, is mostly fiction like they usually are, and has little to do with Kim Peek himself. I think he’s a motivational speaker now. But this was completely off the threads topic. :D

As for the comparison of the human brain to computer parts. I can see how you could pull some similarities, but I don’t know if they can accurately be expressed. I find the study of the mind quite interesting, but from what I draw from it, human memory is much more complicated then simply storing information as a string of variables on a medium.
 
The human brain has about 10^12 neurons, and each neuron makes about 10^3 connections (synapses) with other neurons, in average, for a total number of 10^15 synapses. In artificial neural networks, a synapsis can be simulated using a floating point number, which requires 4 bytes of memory to be represented in a computer. As a consequence, to simulate 10^15 synapses a total amount of 4*10^15 bytes (4 millions of Gigabytes) is required. Let us say that to simulate the whole human brain we need 8 millions of Gigabytes.

This is even a simplistic accounting. New studies (references to which I still can't pinpoint, but Wikipedia under 'Neuron' discusses these) allude to neurons having complex internal 'calculations' on their own (as well as specialized functionality). So, representing a neuron as a set of single floating point numbers (the set of synapses) won't even start to attain the complexity. And glia are also a possible more fundamental unit (at 50:1 to each neuron). You may need to add seven or eight powers of ten to that final number (4*10^22 or so).

I think people are jumping the gun to 'we can simulate a brain' before all of the data is in. Our understanding of human neural processes is woefully incomplete.
 

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