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China

Orphia Nay said:
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And, I'd like to see less fear of China so the trade wars don't escalate out of any "cold war" that potentially exists.
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One cannot draw any conclusions about cold wars in the US based on the last 4 years. Give things a year to settle out.
 
Puppycow said:
Did you know that China is using forced labor from an ethnic minority to pick cotton?


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/sh...-against-china-for-forcing-uyghurs-into-labor
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Building concentration camps to imprison millions of ethnic minorities, where they are indoctrinated in political propaganda and forced to work for free, is perfectly acceptable because they are getting poor developing countries to pay for railways in the middle of nowhere and infrastructure they can't afford.

The Chinese are so benevolent and self-less I just don't know how one can find them objectionable.
 
Arcade22 said:
Building concentration camps to imprison millions of ethnic minorities, where they are indoctrinated in political propaganda and forced to work for free, is perfectly acceptable because they are getting poor developing countries to pay for railways in the middle of nowhere and infrastructure they can't afford.

The Chinese are so benevolent and self-less I just don't know how one can find them objectionable.
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Because Guantanamo Bay is while smaller a holiday camp.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
What do they hope to get out of it?
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I think they want the freedom to elect the next dictator. The next guy who they believe will be even harsher on the drug traffickers and imprison the junkies for decades. Freedom to elect politicians who will silence speech they don't like to hear.
 
Arcade22 said:
Building concentration camps to imprison millions of ethnic minorities, where they are indoctrinated in political propaganda and forced to work for free, is perfectly acceptable because they are getting poor developing countries to pay for railways in the middle of nowhere and infrastructure they can't afford.

The Chinese are so benevolent and self-less I just don't know how one can find them objectionable.
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You sound like you want to turn this into a bullying thread, and upset that I'm not trying to pigeonhole a nation of over a billion people into being all good, so you're building a straw man you can oh-so-bravely fight.
 
just because China threatens the status quo doesn't mean it is an aggressor - even if it feels like that for those countries who are comparatively diminished.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
just because China threatens the status quo doesn't mean it is an aggressor - even if it feels like that for those countries who are comparatively diminished.
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On the world scene, they hardly are, not yet, anyway. In their local area, they are becoming quite aggressive.

- A constant threat to Taiwan.
- Expanding their sea territory.
- Conflict with Japan about various islands.
- Tibet.

Hans
 
agreed.

ever since the world was colonized, powerful country have seen their neighbors as potential agents of other powerful countries, and justified aggression against a smaller opponent as defense against the bigger one hiding behind the proxy.

I think China is so aggressive against Taiwan, Tibet and Japan because it sees them as tools of the US; it would be more relaxed if it considered them their own agent.
But there is nothing that can be done to convince them that they.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
agreed.

ever since the world was colonized, powerful country have seen their neighbors as potential agents of other powerful countries, and justified aggression against a smaller opponent as defense against the bigger one hiding behind the proxy.

I think China is so aggressive against Taiwan, Tibet and Japan because it sees them as tools of the US; it would be more relaxed if it considered them their own agent.
But there is nothing that can be done to convince them that they.
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Not everything is about the US. China sees Tibet and Taiwan as parts of itself because for centuries they were. As for Japan, China hasn't forgiven them for their own imperialist war of conquest they actually did, there's no need to chalk up the animosity to a hypothetical future war of US imperialism there.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Not everything is about the US. China sees Tibet and Taiwan as parts of itself because for centuries they were. As for Japan, China hasn't forgiven them for their own imperialist war of conquest they actually did, there's no need to chalk up the animosity to a hypothetical future war of US imperialism there.
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That is very true, and with some good reason. Up to and during WW2, Japan committed horrible atrocities in China. Both countries are something quite different today, but there are still (a few) people alive who saw it.

Hans
 
Something else about China that really pisses me off - people calling them "left wing" or even worse, "Communist".

The latter is demonstrable simply by the existence of the Shanghai Bourse, while the idea that they're left of Genghis Khan is simply fantasy.

China is a totalitarian capitalist regime, which is possibly what angers some Americans so much about them. They're occupying the same ground that those Americans think they own, and they don't like it.

A good example is the Chinese moves in the SC Sea. USA sails warships through it constantly to assert their right to do what the hell they like and threaten China, yet I recall that when a certain Caribbean nation tried to put some missiles on USA's doorstep, America threatened nuclear war if they didn't get taken away.

How would USA react if China or Russia regularly sailed around the Gulf of Mexico? We don't even need to ask that question, because it's been answered by the furore some years back that even the possibility of Russian subs caused: 1 2

We need to attack China for its human rights abuses - and the animal abuses - not their political leaning.
 
Puppycow said:
Did you know that China is using forced labor from an ethnic minority to pick cotton?


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/sh...-against-china-for-forcing-uyghurs-into-labor
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But it's just to cure them of laziness...I actually heard a Chinese government official make this statement in a BBC story.
China no dobut has it's own version of the GULAG in operation.
But you can't make an omellter with breaking a few eggs..one of the statements made by Uncle Joe's fanboys when his brutal regime was criticised.
 
dudalb said:
But you defend and excuse them..at least if they have a left wing ideology.
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Defending something and making accusations are motives.

What evidence do you present the facts that were stated had such motives behind them?

Besides which, that's a discussion about Hans and what kind of person Hans is.

Rather than grappling with the data.
 
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