Cont: Trump et al continued “2020 election” conspiracy theories

[Fast Eddie B]

I wonder, if Trump managed somehow to keep the presidency via extra-legal means, whether some states might just say, “Enough”.

I’ve never been fond of the sentiment “Not my President”, whether regarding Obama or Trump. But I could see California, Oregon, Washington, possibly Arizona, New Mexico, New Mexico and virtually all of the northeast say, “No. We’re done. We refuse to accept any and all power from the new, unlawfully installed Federal government.”

And now, Texans and malcontents in other states are similarly talking succession (sic), using similar logic about a “corruptly” installed President Biden.

I hope we can get through this intact and without widespread violence, but the stage is certainly set for some very dark times ahead.

 

[quadraginta]

What Mar a lago Richmond as the capital of a newly minted Confederacy run by Donald 'Jefferson Davis' Trump?

Donnie is no Jefferson Davis. Any confederacy he was in charge of would fold like a wet paper bag far more quickly than the first one did.

 

[quadraginta]

Trump Tweets

<snip>

“Justices Alito and Thomas say they would have allowed Texas to proceed with its election lawsuit.” @seanhannity This is a great and disgraceful miscarriage of justice. The people of the United States were cheated, and our Country disgraced. Never even given our day in Court!

<snip>

That's right, Donnie.

And they also said that once allowed, you would lose the case anyway.

Is there some reason you didn't include that part in your quote?

 

[Darat]

It is a legal disgrace, an embarrassment to the USA!!! This whole barrage of meritless lawsuits has been a legal disgrace and an embarrassment to the USA.

As ever what they say someone else is doing or had done is what they are actually doing or have done.

 

[Darat]

...Honestly, given the quality of work at seemingly every level, I think that saying that Trump has been the one to prove there was no fraud is far too generous.

Take Dominion, for example. There are very real concerns that are worth listening to when it comes to the machines that Dominion sells. The other major election machine sellers, too, really, but Dominion has the spotlight for the moment. By the look of it, Trump's defenders took the testimony of various experts on the subject who had testified that buying Dominion machines was a bad idea and apparently distorted what they said into farcical falsehoods before presenting them. That's not the quality of work that would be needed to prove no fraud, by a long shot. That quality of work actually raises my suspicions, given the effect. The effect, in the end, has been... problematic all around. The crazy have latched onto the nonsense and many of the more sensible, but not especially knowledgable in the field, have been singing unwarranted praises for Dominion and defending the results reflexively. Georgia Republicans, for example, who just bought a lot of Dominion machines over the objections of experts and the Georgia Democrats, have quite the history of very problematic election-related behavior, but all of a sudden, *this* election was all upright and perfect? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the happenings are, in part, a ploy to divert attention away from and create defense against serious investigation into areas of actual concern.

Such as?

 

[Hercules56]

Trump Tweets

WE HAVE JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!

One has to wonder how far he will go, and at what point do the authorities need to step in.

25th Amendment?

Have him arrested by the Secret Service?

 

[Firestone]

Trump Tweets

Who is a worse governor, @BrianKempGA of Georgia or @dougducey of Arizona??? These are two RINO Republicans who fought against me and the Republican Party harder than any Democrat. They allowed states that I won easily to be stolen. Never forget, vote them out of office!

(bolding mine)
With that I can agree!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

The Supreme Court had ZERO interest in the merits of the greatest voter fraud ever perpetrated on the United States of America. All they were interested in is “standing”, which makes it very difficult for the President to present a case on the merits. 75,000,000 votes!

Wow! Thousands of people forming in Washington (D.C.) for Stop the Steal. Didn’t know about this, but I’ll be seeing them! #MAGA

 

[eerok]

I thought SCOTUS just did stop the steal.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump could’ve appointed Judge Jeanine, Rudy Giuliani, and the MyPillow guy to SCOTUS but he didn’t, Sad.

 

[TJM]

Trump Tweets

The Supreme Court had ZERO interest in the merits of the greatest voter fraud ever perpetrated on the United States of America. All they were interested in is “standing”, which makes it very difficult for the President to present a case on the merits. 75,000,000 votes!

Wow! Thousands of people forming in Washington (D.C.) for Stop the Steal. Didn’t know about this, but I’ll be seeing them! #MAGA

Careful Donny - They may also have ZERO interest in saving your worthless backside from serving prison time come January 21st.

 

[eerok]

Careful Donny - They may also have ZERO interest in saving your worthless backside from serving prison time come January 21st.

Tease.

 

[CORed]

Donnie is no Jefferson Davis. Any confederacy he was in charge of would fold like a wet paper bag far more quickly than the first one did.

He'll probably put Rudy Giuliani in charge of the troops. Shortly thereafter, on Rudy's orders, they will all shoot each other.

Either that, or he will order them to occupy Washington County, Colorado.

 

[jsfisher]

"Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:

In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue."

So, as I read that, my understanding is...

7-2 against granting of the bill of complaint...

...but even if granted,

9-0 against nullifying the EC votes of Wisconsin. Pennsylvania, Georgia and Michigan

This was the "Big One" Bubba and it is TOAST!

I think the "other relief" was the requested injunction.

2-7 to hear the case.
0-9 to grant an injunction to hold the electoral vote.

 

[Resume]

Trump Tweets

WE HAVE JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!

THE BEST
IS YET
TO COME!!!

Or,

THE GRIFT
WILL NEVER
STOP!!

 

[Dave Rogers]

Either that, or he will order them to occupy Washington Edison County, Colorado.

FTFY

Dave

 

[Meadmaker]

I wonder, if Trump managed somehow to keep the presidency via extra-legal means, whether some states might just say, “Enough”.

I’ve never been fond of the sentiment “Not my President”, whether regarding Obama or Trump. But I could see California, Oregon, Washington, possibly Arizona, New Mexico, New Mexico and virtually all of the northeast say, “No. We’re done. We refuse to accept any and all power from the new, unlawfully installed Federal government.”

And now, Texans and malcontents in other states are similarly talking succession (sic), using similar logic about a “corruptly” installed President Biden.

I hope we can get through this intact and without widespread violence, but the stage is certainly set for some very dark times ahead.

The problem with this scenario is that it's hard to see a real path by which we get there. The way that it goes down would influence the way that people, including state governments, react.

But, the basic premise of the scenario is completely legitimate. If someone manages to take the presidency through any means other than a legal election, the possibility of civil war would be very real. Whether and how it happens depends a lot on how we get to that point.

Fortunately, it isn't going to happen. There may be a bit more drama along the way, but there's no path that involves any pretense of legality that keeps Trump in office. That leaves just a plain old coup, where Trump orders the military to be loyal to him, and they do. That isn't going to happen, either.

The only other remaining scenario would be Trump starts World War III during his final days in office, and there is sufficient societal breakdown that the concept of "president" isn't all that important, and the survivors have bigger things to worry about. That probably won't happen either.

 

[Meadmaker]

“Justices Alito and Thomas say they would have allowed Texas to proceed with its election lawsuit.” @seanhannity This is a great and disgraceful miscarriage of justice. The people of the United States were cheated, and our Country disgraced. Never even given our 58th day in Court!

The highlighted was inserted in the interests of accuracy.

 

[Paul2]

. . . .

The only other remaining scenario would be Trump starts World War III during his final days in office, and there is sufficient societal breakdown that the concept of "president" isn't all that important, and the survivors have bigger things to worry about. That probably won't happen either.

Sounds like a winning political strategy!

You had to go there?

 

[Aridas]

Such as?

For ease's sake -

Today, for the first time since before the November 3rd election, we're joined by voting systems expert MARILYN MARKS, Executive Director of the nonpartisan, good government watchdog group, Coalition for Good Governance. As a plaintiff in the long-running federal lawsuit seeking to bar Dominion Voting Systems' new, unverifiable touchscreen systems from use in the state, Marks has been one of the longest and loudest critics of both the private Canadian-based voting system vendor and the state's Republican Sec. of State Brad Raffensperger who contracted them. (Her same federal suit already resulted in a federal judge, last year, banning the use of the state's 20-year old, unverifiable Diebold touchscreen systems.) Raffensperger defied both election integrity and cybersecurity experts by purchasing Dominion's unverifiable $100+ million systems instead of a hand-marked paper ballot system as recommended by the experts. And now, Team Trump is exploiting Raffensperger's ill-considered decision to make all sorts of unfounded claims about them.

That said, because these systems are unverifiable, it's next to impossible to know that they accurately recorded the intent of any of the voters who are forced to use them at polling places across the state -- something that Marks (and us) warned about long before Republicans decided to pretend they were concerned about "election integrity" and invented a ridiculous worldwide conspiracy led by Dominion to steal the election from Trump.