Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 26

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Dave Rogers said:
Trump never gets anything wrong. Reality gets things wrong.

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This morning Trump claimed that no one ever who had won both Florida and Ohio lost the presidential election.

Aside from the fact that, well, he just did, it's also not true. Nixon won Florida and Ohio and lost to Kennedy.
 
The Don said:
Yeah, it's 15% because there are 3 times as many people who have had it, than have been tested positive for it......

......or something :rolleyes:
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Currently, about 4.5% of the US population has been tested positive. The number of tests performed is about 221 million. But of course, a number of people have been tested multiple times. So, perhaps the 15% is an extrapolation estimating the actual number of cases.

I can't find suitable data to check that.

Hans
 
This is why getting to a post-fact world was so important for the Right.

When you're factually wrong about nearly everything you have to create a world where that doesn't matter, so everything opinion is the same level of biased, the same level of unfair.
 
pgwenthold said:
This morning Trump claimed that no one ever who had won both Florida and Ohio lost the presidential election.

Aside from the fact that, well, he just did, it's also not true. Nixon won Florida and Ohio and lost to Kennedy.
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Yeah, i don't get this insistence on Trump's part that the fact that he managed to lose in ways nobody ever had before is somehow proof that he couldn't have lost at all. Nobody who went into the final two minutes of the third quarter in a Super Bowl leading by 25 points had ever managed to end up losing either- until they did (pro-football-reference.com- my apologies to any Falcons fans reading this).
 
The Don said:
Yeah, it's 15% because there are 3 times as many people who have had it, than have been tested positive for it......



......or something :rolleyes:
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My assumption is that he heard "15 million cases" and got "million" and "%" confused in his mind.

That in itself might almost be an understandable mistake...a type of off the cuff statement where glitches can happen to the best of us. What is worrisome was the fact that 1) he seemed pleased with a large number of cases, and 2) he appears to be setting policy according to it. That would be problematic even if he did get the numbers right.

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turingtest said:
Yeah, i don't get this insistence on Trump's part that the fact that he managed to lose in ways nobody ever had before is somehow proof that he couldn't have lost at all. Nobody who went into the final two minutes of the third quarter in a Super Bowl leading by 25 points had ever managed to end up losing either- until they did (pro-football-reference.com- my apologies to any Falcons fans reading this).
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XKCD did an entire comic about it back in 2012. Then it was updated for 2020.

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Trump's stupid lawsuits aimed at the Supreme Court might, in fact, not be about overturning the Election, but about something much more important to Trump:

testing the loyalty of 'his' judges to gauge whether they would uphold a Self-Pardon.

This will be the real test of the Supreme Court, the make-or-break of the Roberts Court.


It would be devastating to the the Separation of Power if the SC rules that the President is, in fact, above the law.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump's stupid lawsuits aimed at the Supreme Court might, in fact, not be about overturning the Election, but about something much more important to Trump:

testing the loyalty of 'his' judges to gauge whether they would uphold a Self-Pardon.

This will be the real test of the Supreme Court, the make-or-break of the Roberts Court.


It would be devastating to the the Separation of Power if the SC rules that the President is, in fact, above the law.
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I disagree. Trump might think that way, but if he is, he is reading way too much between the lines.

I've been reading the self pardon argument for 50 years. I certainly don't believe POTUS can grant himself a pardon. But it's never been tested.
 
acbytesla said:
It's a pretty fair bet.

My dream scenario is Trump resigns because Pence said he would pardon him and then Pence doesn't.

Oooops!
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recent polls give Pence about 25% support for a 2024 nomination if Trump doesn't run, well ahead of Haley or Trump Jr.

He would not jeopardize that.
 
i don't think "his" judges have any loyalty to him anymore than the extent of how their political views align. especially for a guy that will be out of office in a few weeks and with very little to offer that he hasn't already given them.

i actually think the most logical view for all of them is it's a good opportunity for them to get the Trump monkey off their back
 
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