Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[Paul2]

I can speak to the point of view on both of these--

The point of view from the right that you describe is not that the "snowflakes" and "antifa terrorist" are the same people--the "antifa" are the scary communist thugs, the "snowflakes" are their enablers.

On the question of "when did anti-fascist become a bad thing" -- I do have to call fallacy there. The lion's share of people on the right who don't like Antifa aren't "yay, fascists!". They don't believe that antifa are actually against fascism--they think Antifa are just using the label as PR and want to establish an authoritarian state themselves.

They may be mistaken, but that is not logically inconsistent, nor historically really--consider the "DPRK" not being actually democratic.

I don't think it's helpful to defend that hill: "But being against fascism is good!"-- it misses the target. What matters is if their actual behavior is justifiable. Sometimes it is, and I think sometimes it isn't. We're not going to pretend that CHOP was a model to emulate, are we?

This is another example of the power of labels compared to what the label is supposed to stand for. Who cares if you label yourself fascist or anti-fascist? What counts is your behavior towards fascism. The labels can obviously be mis-used.

A similar point is made by atheist Matt Dilahaunty, who says that it doesn't matter whether you call yourself an atheist or not (at least as far as epistemology goes), what matters is what you believe and on what basis.

 

[acbytesla]

I just read a CNN headline that said "Trump's Effort to Steal the Election is Done".


Come on, fellas. You don't get to declare when the election has been won, despite all the hoopla that goes with network projections. You sure as heck don't get to declare that attempts to steal it are done. I'm sure Donald will continue attempting to steal.

Although, it could be "done" as in "stick a fork in it". It isn't going to be successful, but only Donald Trump can declare that he will stop trying to steal it.

At some time even the Trumpstermobile runs out of gas.

Reportedly his staff has been telling Trump he should to end the legal battles for a while. Whereas Rudy has been saying there is still a way for Trump to win. Apparently Trump listened to Rudy and has since been attacking his staff.

I've been thinking Rudy has another motive for winding Trump up. A 20,000 a day retainer.

 

[Elagabalus]

I hate Randy Quaid. Not as much as Ted Nugent. But still.

Randy Quaid
@RandyRRQuaid
We’ve lost confidence in the system that elects our leaders. 79 million Americans believe election was rigged, the results fraudulent. We need an in-person-only-paper ballot re-vote, especially in the States where flagrant irregularities have occurred. No accuracy, no democracy!

TIME TO MAKE OAN & NEWSMAX RICH. FOX IS DEAD TO ME!

LOL! Don't go over there, Randy. You may not like what you find ... mwahahahahahahaha*



*I've been feasting on the Schadenfreude over on the OANN comment sections for several days now (the libs have taken over). I highly recommend it.

 

[Checkmite]

*PLAN-TRUSTING INTENSIFIES*

LAS VEGAS (AP) — The Nevada Supreme Court made Joe Biden’s win in the state official on Tuesday, approving the state’s final canvass of the Nov. 3 election.

The unanimous action by the seven nonpartisan justices sends to Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak results that will deliver six electoral votes from the western U.S. battleground state to Biden.

The court action drew extra scrutiny amid legal efforts by the state GOP and Trump campaign to prevent sending vote-by-mail ballots to all 1.82 million active registered voters and then to stop the counting of the 1.4 million votes that were cast.

Biden won by Nevada 33,596 votes, according to results approved by elected officials in Nevada’s 17 counties — including Clark County, which encompasses Las Vegas, and Washoe County, which includes Reno.

 

[MRC_Hans]

He tweeted last night that he will never concede.

Oh, and you trust his words?

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Sure, I don't think he will ever SAY he concedes, but in practice he just did. Look, if you really, really believe your opponent committed massive, as in on a historic level massive, fraud, would you agree to release funds and power for him to cement his position? I think not. Not even a lunatic would do that.

So in practice, Trump has conceded. Of course, he will never call it that. But my increasingly solid guess is that whatever he does from this point on will:

- Cost him as little as possible.
- Only serve to please his die-hard supporters, probably to wrench some more contributions from them to supplement his empty coffers.
- In some contrived way support his ego.

And I think he will be present at Biden's inauguration, because:

- He can't pass up an exposure on international TV.
- He needs it to boost the "dignified ex-president" image he plans to cultivate.
- He wants to steal every second of publicity he can from Biden.

Hans

 

[Emily's Cat]

Sorry to go a bit semantical here, but I don't think "concede" means what you think it means.

Conceding, in terms of competition, is acknowledging defeat prior to the official end of the contest. When a chess player concedes, they are surrendering the game as a loss prior to having been placed in checkmate. When a politician concedes, they're acknowledging their loss of the election prior to the final vote being counted.

Trump isn't required to concede. It's good form to do so (which is why you shouldn't expect it of him, really), but it isn't a necessity. At the end of the day, he still loses, because Biden's win is not contingent on Trump's concession.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Sorry to go a bit semantical here, but I don't think "concede" means what you think it means.

Conceding, in terms of competition, is acknowledging defeat prior to the official end of the contest. When a chess player concedes, they are surrendering the game as a loss prior to having been placed in checkmate. When a politician concedes, they're acknowledging their loss of the election prior to the final vote being counted.

Trump isn't required to concede. It's good form to do so (which is why you shouldn't expect it of him, really), but it isn't a necessity. At the end of the day, he still loses, because Biden's win is not contingent on Trump's concession.

https://www.google.com/search?q=con...0i10l2j0l2.8252j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Nothing about "prior to official end of contest".

It means to accept defeat. And yes, it is not necessary for Trump to do it, but in practice, he just did. I'm sure he will insist on calling it something else, but who cares what he calls things?

Hans

 

[Galaxie]

Trump Tweets

“In Wisconsin, somebody has to be indefinitely confined in order to vote absentee. In the past there were 20,000 people. This past election there were 120,000...and Republicans were locked out of the vote counting process.” @VicToensing
@newsmax

I'm sure everyone on this forum knows that tweet is a lie, but just in case:

Who can Request an Absentee Ballot?

Any qualified elector (U.S. citizen, 18 years of age, who has resided in the district in which he or she intends to vote for at least 28 days) who registers to vote is eligible to request an absentee ballot. Under Wisconsin law, voters do not need a reason or excuse, such as being out of town on Election Day, to vote absentee. Any voter who prefers to vote by absentee ballot may request one. You have several options for requesting an absentee ballot and casting your vote.

 

[Paul2]

Sorry to go a bit semantical here, but I don't think "concede" means what you think it means.

Conceding, in terms of competition, is acknowledging defeat prior to the official end of the contest. When a chess player concedes, they are surrendering the game as a loss prior to having been placed in checkmate. When a politician concedes, they're acknowledging their loss of the election prior to the final vote being counted.

Trump isn't required to concede. It's good form to do so (which is why you shouldn't expect it of him, really), but it isn't a necessity. At the end of the day, he still loses, because Biden's win is not contingent on Trump's concession.

I agree except that it's less the conceding and more that insistence that he won in the face of all the facts, that there was widespread fraud when there wasn't, etc., that's the problem, and a very big problem at that. If Trump had stayed silent about the election results, started no lawsuits, allowed the transition to proceed, my only complaint then would be that it was bad form.

 

[acbytesla]

Oh, and you trust his words?

Sure, I don't think he will ever SAY he concedes, but in practice he just did. Look, if you really, really believe your opponent committed massive, as in on a historic level massive, fraud, would you agree to release funds and power for him to cement his position? I think not. Not even a lunatic would do that.

So in practice, Trump has conceded. Of course, he will never call it that. But my increasingly solid guess is that whatever he does from this point on will:

- Cost him as little as possible.
- Only serve to please his die-hard supporters, probably to wrench some more contributions from them to supplement his empty coffers.
- In some contrived way support his ego.

And I think he will be present at Biden's inauguration, because:

- He can't pass up an exposure on international TV.
- He needs it to boost the "dignified ex-president" image he plans to cultivate.
- He wants to steal every second of publicity he can from Biden.

Hans

I pretty much agree with that. But the legal, press and tweet campaigns continue.

If he just doesn't admit it verbally. Trump is never going to invite Biden to the White House and be magnanimous.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Trump Tweets

What does GSA being allowed to preliminarily work with the Dems have to do with continuing to pursue our various cases on what will go down as the most corrupt election in American political history? We are moving full speed ahead. Will never concede to fake ballots & “Dominion”.

New, from the Backstreet Boys: "I Want It Both Ways"!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Trump Tweets

Thank you Randy, working hard to clean up the stench of the 2020 Election Hoax!
Quote Tweet

Randy Quaid
@RandyRRQuaid
Never underestimate The greatest President this country has ever had. Trump is an astonishing man of the people, fighting for all of us, not Big Pharma! #AmericaFirst #KAG #TrumpPence2020 #StopTheSteaI2020

"Merry Christmas! *******'s full!"

ETA: ninja'd by Monza.

 

[Stacyhs]

I pretty much agree with that. But the legal, press and tweet campaigns continue.

If he just doesn't admit it verbally. Trump is never going to invite Biden to the White House and be magnanimous.

What's going to be interesting is watching how Trump handles the handover/inauguration because you know it's not going to be handled with any dignity or class. I think Trump will fly off to Mar a Lago before the inauguration. Perhaps Pence may show a bit more of both and attend or not. With him, who knows?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Remember, the GSA has been terrific, and Emily Murphy has done a great job, but the GSA does not determine who the next President of the United States will be.

 

[Paul2]

Trump Tweets

Remember, the GSA has been terrific, and Emily Murphy has done a great job, but the GSA does not determine who the next President of the United States will be.

Says the constitutional scholar.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

He tweeted last night that he will never concede.

The Black Orange Knight.

 

[Elagabalus]

What's going to be interesting is watching how Trump handles the handover/inauguration because you know it's not going to be handled with any dignity or class. I think Trump will fly off to Mar a Lago before the inauguration. Perhaps Pence may show a bit more of both and attend or not. With him, who knows?

Agreed. He's going to slink off to Mar-A-Lago in the dead of night. Pence will be gracious and stick around.


I'm actually wondering now if this whole experience will be too upsetting for Trump to even become a taking head on FOX or Newsmax etc.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

What does GSA being allowed to preliminarily work with the Dems have to do with continuing to pursue our various cases on what will go down as the most corrupt election in American political history? We are moving full speed ahead. Will never concede to fake ballots & “Dominion”.

He's mad we know he's conceded.

 

[Tero]

Now that the transition started, when will the full investigation into Hunter Biden laptops begin? For the 2023 impeachment.

 

[Galaxie]

Apparently the Obama team made dozens of informational binders, iPads, and instruction sheets available to the Trump transition team, but true to their nature, they never used them and threw them out.

I don't expect the Biden team will get that kind of help from the Trump staffers this go around.